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Better now then 40, 30, 20, and ten years ago.

Look, the rate of improvement will asymptotically approach a limit. In other words, it is not possible for the rate of improvement to be consant. It was really easy to have big improvements early-on. But after each improvement occurs, there is less improvement possible so a continuous rate of improvement is more difficult. Got it? So any real, though minor improvement over these recent years will probably have cost as much as significant improvements cost in 1970.

Is the cause a Repo or Demo problem? Ans: Neither. If we spend our efforts blaming each other we will waste energy on the wrong problem. Try putting your effort into promoting improvement rather than sharpshooting the opposition.
but way worse then 4 years ago.

i agree with you on most of the rest. look at what shrub has done though. he rolled everyting back and his forrest fire policy is really a clearcut policy... dems traditionally are way better for our health. (yes, i tie my health to my environs) klinton, with rep congress was able to accomplish quite a bit... all shrub is doing is opening OUR land to free-for-all for corps. Land=air/water too.



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:. this is a huge issue for me and just wondering what's on your guys' mind.
So what have you done to help? Besides the obvious of who you're going to vote for... Are you on any action committee? Are you involved or have started any environmental thinking at where you work? Do you ride-share or take the bus? Do you only mow your lawn in the early morning or late evening? Do you only fill up your car after dark? Etc, etc, etc.

It's easy to point fingers - If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

And to answer your next question - yes.
i surely advocate Leave No Trace behaviour.

you got me on the mowing.[8)] i hate it and have mowed only half a dozen times this year.
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Better now then 40, 30, 20, and ten years ago.

Look, the rate of improvement will asymptotically approach a limit. In other words, it is not possible for the rate of improvement to be consant. It was really easy to have big improvements early-on. But after each improvement occurs, there is less improvement possible so a continuous rate of improvement is more difficult. Got it? So any real, though minor improvement over these recent years will probably have cost as much as significant improvements cost in 1970.

Is the cause a Repo or Demo problem? Ans: Neither. If we spend our efforts blaming each other we will waste energy on the wrong problem. Try putting your effort into promoting improvement rather than sharpshooting the opposition.
but way worse then 4 years ago.

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Not entirely true, though close enough to make political points.

Here's how it worked.

Clinton proposed, in his last year in office, drastic reductions in many pollutants. These were reductions that would have been political suicide for his adminstration, but since they were not to go into effect until he was out of office, it wasn't a problem for him.

So Bush admin rolled them back to essentially as they were under Clinton, which on paper, appears as degradation when it fact, it was a continuation of previous policy.

The air and water in the USA is cleaner now than it has been in forty years. Is anybody satisfied that everything is as it should be? I don't know, but I doubt it.

When I was a kid we drank water from the mountain streams of north Georgia. I wouldn't do that now. But maybe so in 20 years if we continue to improve things.
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Remember also that every burden you place on industry makes their products cost more and makes foriegn products more competitive. We have to strike a balance, and its not a simple one. One of the best things we can do is encourage other countries to implement more clean air and water policies.
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as i remember you alluded to your swamp and pooppond or something like that. the water in these parts is only getting worse not better, and you are down stream. most of the "improvements" are just "facelifts." you're partially right on the rollbacks. i think shrub went further though by lowering some of the standards. his forrest policy is bothersome to me too. he is not into protecting OUR LAND but into exploiting it.

I hear WV, for example, has cleaned up somewhat but not to the extent that most think but it's progress.

there is no safe water E of the Miss though.



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Not entirely true, though close enough to make political points.

Here's how it worked.

Clinton proposed, in his last year in office, drastic reductions in many pollutants. These were reductions that would have been political suicide for his adminstration, but since they were not to go into effect until he was out of office, it wasn't a problem for him.

So Bush admin rolled them back to essentially as they were under Clinton, which on paper, appears as degradation when it fact, it was a continuation of previous policy.
Don't waste my time with thoughtful analysis, you bastard, I only want shrill invective and demagoguery!!

I read something like that when the arsenic standards were "rolled back" a couple of years ago, before the "Bush is Satan" crowd got on a roll.
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bot,

there needs to be a bigger push for alternative energy source. right now we are hooked things black (coal, crude) for some reason. we should have learned the lesson in 1972 but oh well.... this time we ought to.

hemp is the answer...

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FushBuck, how about trading in that gas guzzling smog belching old 72 model in on a Hybrid car? Hybrid technology, of course, isn't the ideal long term solution, but it seems like a pretty good short term solution. Do your part instead of just lecturing everyone else.
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dude, that's my benz. it's not my daily. you kiddin'? $2 at the pump.



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Dood, That's pretty much the answer I was expecting.
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