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Oh, it must have been Pat Buchanan and Ollie North throwing trash and rocks at the police.
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The question was asked by a friend of mine last weekend and I saw a suggestion of it just now in engatwork's thread.

I'd say that we're at least headed towards a cultural war of sorts. I don't know about an actual civil war where states susceede from the Union.

What do you all think?
I think Kerry's going to win. I'll be pissed-off for a couple weeks, but I'll get over it. It takes a big arc to trun the ship of state and I don't think Kerry will have much effect until his second term.

On the bright side for me with a Kerry win is that I'll personally professionally benefit in some ways from having Democrats in charge. Unless they raise taxes again. You know, like SSI payments, tariffs, Medicare, fuel 'environmental' taxes, etc. Then the middleclass will be screwed while the poor get subsidized and the rich right it off.
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Bush, uniter not divider, has managed to divide us to the point where people are talking about civil war.
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Bush, uniter not divider, has managed to divide us to the point where people are talking about civil war.
Shhhhhh!!!!! That's what I said. Someone took exception... [B)]

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Bush, uniter not divider, has managed to divide us to the point where people are talking about civil war.
You divide yourself. He led a direction you chose not to follow. Had he led another direction you may or may not have chosen to follow. We each make our own choices whether or not to follow this or that leader.

Like ol' Bill. About half the nation chose to follow him and about half chose not to. Was he a divider? I'm sure a lot of his ardent haters would say so while his passionate followers would just ascribe that to personal hatred by his detractors. Who is right?

A convenient label is how we dismiss each other without having to think.

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A convenient label is how we dismiss each other without having to think.

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Do you believe that the nation was divided under Clinton as it is now (degree, not cause)?

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Do you believe that the nation was divided under Clinton as it is now (degree, not cause)?
Statistically, yes. The vast rightwing conspiracy was fervantly, feverishly looking for anything to use against him and the true-believing leftwing conspiracy was blind to his faults. I fell somewhere in the muddled middle. His presidency confirmed in me that i would not become a registered Republican, though I was and am an unhappy Democrat. I think Clinton's domestic agenda was pretty good. He accomplished what Republicnas cynically promised for forty years---welfare reform and a balanced budget and a vibrant, growing economy. I was completely opposed to Clinton's foreign policy, which was typical eastern-democrat establishment internationalism. Never did like that. From Democrats, I like the Roosevelt/Truman/Kennedy foreign policy. Be nice, but be resolute and willing to risk everything for liberty.
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I didn't care for Clinton much, but was quite impassionate in that regard. He seemed capable enough, but it was very difficult to repect him as a man (for me, the lies more than the blow jobs). I would have to say that the invasion of Iraq is about the only thing that any POTUS did during my lifetime that really got me riled.

I recall reading a excellent article in the Wilson Quarterly many years ago that discussed the presidency in regard to the energy crisis. The author contended that any post-WWII president should and could have raised the price of domestic oil, which would have averted the crisis. In that context he discussed and rated each and every president from Truman through Nixon. Truman had too much going on, Eisenhower was a schlub, Kennedy was too interested in being popular in the aftermath of a narrow victory margin. LBJ should never have been president at all (too personally involved in the oil business), I don't recall his opinion of Nixon. It wes interesting. Of the bunch, you gotta love Truman, don't ya?

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Very very doubtful it's easy to be big talkers from
behind a key board. We have it to good here.

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The question was asked by a friend of mine last weekend and I saw a suggestion of it just now in engatwork's thread.

I'd say that we're at least headed towards a cultural war of sorts. I don't know about an actual civil war where states susceede from the Union.

What do you all think?
I think Kerry's going to win. I'll be pissed-off for a couple weeks, but I'll get over it. It takes a big arc to trun the ship of state and I don't think Kerry will have much effect until his second term.

On the bright side for me with a Kerry win is that I'll personally professionally benefit in some ways from having Democrats in charge. Unless they raise taxes again. You know, like SSI payments, tariffs, Medicare, fuel 'environmental' taxes, etc. Then the middleclass will be screwed while the poor get subsidized and the rich right it off.
I wish I had your confidence. Personally, I think we are looking at a repeat of 1968, when the rednecks elected Pignose as they were whipped on by the Republican's phony patriotism. The election, as is our history, will be followed by years of needless death and social unrest, until the day comes when the voters finally realize they got duped. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

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