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post #21 of 87 (permalink) Old 10-23-2004, 05:42 PM
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Kirk - as usual twisting words and assumptions. What I am saying and wondering is - "Why do you think that Jews in America are not liked by non Jews, and why throughout the world is anti-semitism on the upswing. I know of no non Jew who has anything kind to say about the Jewish people in the U.S. Not even one. Why do you think this is?"
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Kirk - as usual twisting words and assumptions. What I am saying and wondering is - "Why do you think that Jews in America are not liked by non Jews, and why throughout the world is anti-semitism on the upswing. I know of no non Jew who has anything kind to say about the Jewish people in the U.S. Not even one. Why do you think this is?"
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The greatest supporters of Jewish Israel aside from Jews, are fundamentalist Christians in the USA. They also tend to vote conservative local US politics. Its a funny convergence that brings Jewish Americans, mostly left-liberal, and fundamentalist Christians to common support of Israel. In almost every other respect, these two groups have very little in common and ample reason (at least for Jews) to distrust and even loath the fundamentalists for historic reasons.

The Jewish people have a long memory of oppression from Christian zealots. IMO, they haven't fully grasped the relatively new fundamentalist phenomenon, a New Testement Biblical interpretation, that absolutely requires a Jewish return to Israel before Jesus' return. This means that these Christians must support a Jewish state in Israel.

To fundamentalist Christians, the Jews in Israel can do practically anything necessary to protect the Jewish state. They are every bit as committed to that support as was Meir Kahane or the various wacko Jewish settlers in contested Palestine. This unswerving support of Israel by conservative Christians is causing some strange reallignments in the Republicans and the Democrats.

Historically, the fundamentalist Christians were strong Democrats. Many of my family that fit that description still are. They will probably vote for Kerry not because they like him or hate Bush, but because they cannot vote Republican. But at the same time, they are deeply conflicted by what they see as Democratic insoucience concerning Israel while the Republicans apparently buy anything that Sharon says.

IMO, we are at the post-beginning of a widening split among Jewish voters, deeply conflicted, too. I think the split actually began under Reagan.

It will be interesting to see the demographics of the coming election.
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Man, Mr B, move that family of yours to texas. If you could find a fundamentalist democrat in Texas, it would be like finding a ruby at the bottom of your birdcage while you were cleaning it. Those relatives of yours are pretty rare.

The far right of Israel, who are now in power, is becoming aligned with the far right in the US. I know a few liberal Jews who are not exactly crazy that this is happening, and they see it as an impediment to peace. Sharon and Arafat have turned the whole place into a blood bath, and quite frankly, the US Christians that support Sharon are whacked out religious nuts who are hoping that they are doing something to hasten the Apocalypse. Who knows what is going to come out of that weird mess. The weirdest thing about it, is that Revelation says all those Jews are going to be thrown in the fires of hell when Jesus gets back. Its all just total weirdness. The right wing Jews, you have been winning a running bet for 2,000 years that Jesus ain't going to make it, are just using these people to help them crap on the Palestinians, which is helping our enemies in Iraq. These same people are also Bush's greatest supporters at the polls. Like all of Bushland, its just one great big freaking mess.


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How many Republicans have been arrested at Kerry rallies for wearing a Bush Tshirt? How many mothers of dead soldiers have been arrested at Kerry rallies? I could make you a list half a page long
Just curious - How much money would it take for you to walk into a union manufacturing plant and tell everyone that you support Bush? Catch them at break-time, while they are all together. Yell it loud and strong. Tell them Kerry's an idiot.

How much? Remember, you'll have to take hospital expenses into consideration.

Now do the opposite in a general office environment - tell them Bush is whack. I'm sure the worst you have to endure is the discussion of your views...

Tell me this would never happen... [:p]

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Ron, I think if you are White in the upper socio-economic tier of the U.S. populace, you really tend to develop an irritation with minorities and recent immigrants. Their culture infiltrates my lifw in trivial ways, but no less irritating.

Case in point. Tonight as the World Series got underway, one of the 1st commercials was for Chevy trucks. The entire commercial including the narrative was in Spanish, with dancing cartoon lowriders. What the hell is with that? The person who gave that the go-ahead should be dragged out of his home and shot in the head.
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Wow, it just keeps getting better and better. Jews and immigrents.

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RE: So who are acting like Nazis?

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How many Republicans have been arrested at Kerry rallies for wearing a Bush Tshirt? How many mothers of dead soldiers have been arrested at Kerry rallies? I could make you a list half a page long
Just curious - How much money would it take for you to walk into a union manufacturing plant and tell everyone that you support Bush? Catch them at break-time, while they are all together. Yell it loud and strong. Tell them Kerry's an idiot.

How much? Remember, you'll have to take hospital expenses into consideration.

Now do the opposite in a general office environment - tell them Bush is whack. I'm sure the worst you have to endure is the discussion of your views...

Tell me this would never happen... [:p]
I think you are sadly mistaken about the world we live in, and have been brainwashed into a paranoid stupor. I doubt if I would get much more than a few pained looks.

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Ron, I think if you are White in the upper socio-economic tier of the U.S. populace, you really tend to develop an irritation with minorities and recent immigrants. Their culture infiltrates my lifw in trivial ways, but no less irritating.

Case in point. Tonight as the World Series got underway, one of the 1st commercials was for Chevy trucks. The entire commercial including the narrative was in Spanish, with dancing cartoon lowriders. What the hell is with that? The person who gave that the go-ahead should be dragged out of his home and shot in the head.
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Dannwatt- The commercial was absurd, and so is your viewpoint.
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