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U.S. Soldier Sentenced to 8 Years for Iraq Abuse

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick was sentenced to eight years in prison on Thursday for sexually and physically abusing detainees at the Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad.

Judge Colonel James Pohl also sentenced Frederick, 38, to a reduction in rank to private, to forfeiture of pay and a dishonorable discharge from the army.

Frederick's lawyer Gary Myers called the sentence "excessive" and said he intended to appeal.

"We will seek to try to achieve a sentence reduction," he said.

Frederick, the most senior enlisted man charged in the Abu Ghraib scandal, had pleaded guilty to five charges of abusing detainees at the facility in October and November last year, including making three prisoners masturbate.

He also punched one prisoner so hard in the chest that he needed resuscitation.

Major Michael Holley, the military prosecutor, told the court it was a simple case of right and wrong.

"He's an adult and capable of telling, as we learned, the difference between right and wrong," he said of Frederick. "How much training do you need to learn that it's wrong to force a man to masturbate?"

Myers said that while Frederick was right to be punished, a degree of responsibility had to be borne by the military establishment.

"Punish him, yes. But please try to understand the defense's point of view that there is corporate responsibility," Myers said. "We discovered that (Frederick) has no abhorrent tendencies."

Frederick is the third U.S. soldier to be convicted for his part in the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal. Five soldiers are still due to face courts martial.

Judge Pohl originally sentenced Frederick to 10 years inprisonment, but reduced it to eight years because of a plea bargain.

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What a bunch of crap!! I'd throw him a damn parade. I'm sending his family a nice check. This prisoner abuse stuff is really getting out of hand. When he gets out, I'll offer him a job.
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What a bunch of crap!! I'd throw him a damn parade. I'm sending his family a nice check. This prisoner abuse stuff is really getting out of hand. When he gets out, I'll offer him a job.
That's excellent. It's about time more people start seeing the enlisteds as scapegoats in this abhorrent abuse. I presume you advocate getting to the top of this situation. [}:)]

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Mr. Tikket,

He made people masturbate!!! You want to hire this guy? You are one perverted sicko.

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I agree that there's likely to be some culpability higher up, but this guy is no scapegoat. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows its wrong to force people to masturbate. I highly doubt that it was listed on the interrogation methods list.
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Mr. Tikket,

He made people masturbate!!! You want to hire this guy?
He could be MRSTICKYTIKKET... [xx(]

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I think Old 300D had it right. He did what he was told to do to break the prisoners down so they would give up information to the CIA interogation crew. The peon deserves no worse treatment than the officers who directed the "softening" of the prisoners, and either told them how, or didn't. In either case the officers belong under the same bright lights and scrutiny, as well as their superior officers and so on. This was not a case of a few bad apples...Jim
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the officers who directed the "softening" of the prisoners
LOL... It sounds like he may have misunderstood the softening part! Sorry I just couldn't help it.
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