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Thanks Kvining, but I am a republican because I hate taxes. I also believe you should work hard, honest, and smart to gain your fortune.

I little history that proves that both parties wanted to build the world economy. So do not blame the Republicans, because Franklin Delano Roosevelt help promoted and created UN to promote world peace and help developing countries after WWII. At that time, most Americans were against it. But some business men found an opportunity to build factories in other countries because of the incentives like tax breaks and lower cost of labor. So depending on what side side of the fence you are on you may see promoting businesses outside of the US as helping the world or finding ways to produce a cheaper product. Now with this information, stop blaming the Republicans because jobs are going oversees.

I see IT jobs going to India and accounting jobs going to Poland, but I personally do not like to see those jobs go. I do not have a solution, but we all need to work together with our government to get a solution. That means the Republicans and the Democrats need to work together.


By the way for those that do not know, Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a Democrat.



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Scienceisreligion - Agreed 100%!! You Dems stop whining and start hustling!!!
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Well, I reject GDP as an irrelevent index of data gibberish, but nevertheless all three countries have undergone various degrees of Friedman's brainwashing, so reading the tea leaves found in the gibberish as proof of the superiority of "free" v. protectionist policy might be a bit tricky.
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Sooooooo, we're in agreement then?
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Not especially. I just noted that you asked for a measure and I gave you one, which you discounted but instead of offering some constructive alternative, offered......wait for it......hyperbole.

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Come on, GDP doesn't measure anything but general economic activity, with absolutely no connection to any living breathing entity. An empire as large as the US, with its massively bloated military industrial complex will invariably produce inflated GDP figures, relative to smaller non-military nations. A better measure would be to factor in quality of life indicators like health, crime, pollution, family breakdown, etc. http://redefiningprogress.org/projects/gpi/

So I wasn't engaging in hyperbole as much as simply stating that I don't find your measurement criteria as an acceptable index. In addition, I pointed out that since all three nations have experimented with various degrees of trade liberalization over the past thirty years, that it would be difficult to extrapolate anything about that goofy measurement criteria anyway.

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The value of the dollar and the value of the stock market both indicate that actual wealth has been created, especially the value of the dollar which is essentially your stock certificate in USA Inc. The Stock Market and the value of the dollar are at record lows. One indicates that American Corporations are simply not worth as much as they used to be because they have been forced to liquidate assets and liabilities (your job) to cover their losses and because investors feel the the future prospects of these companies are bleak. The dollar's value indicates how much a single dollar can purchase of another's country's goods. At the rate it is going, yout $50,000 a year job will soon have the equivilent buying power of a Chinese labor's 50,000 yaun.

GDP is bullshit. It treats you buying a $5 haircut the same way it treats a $5 rise in a stock. One is money to purchase a service, the other is a reflection of wealth. Under Bush, every major measurement of national wealth is in decline. We have become a nation that is liquidating its wealth and shitting it away on Chinese junk, energy waste, and Iraq.
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Yeah, lets get rid of the GDP. Nobody thinks it means anything.

Okay, lets devise a new genaralized index to which we can reliably connect all manner of gov services and international trade relations.

Lets call it, "Summation Having Institutional Totality".

What measure would we throw into it?
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...we'll have to call it the S.H.I.T. list.
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Here's an interesting GDP line item. It represents the percent increase from the previous period. Believe it.

Gasoline, fuel oil, and other energy goods.

1Q '04 44.6

2Q '04 44.8

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