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...an army of Target "team members" and WalMart "associates" have descended upon our fair state, watering down those unemployment figures. On a related note, the food banks and homeless shelters are doing a brisk business.
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I'm sure that the company that has to pay a union fork-lift driver $24.00/hr can well afford to stay here...

Rather than band-aiding the issue let's look at some of the root causes.

If you owned a company, what would you do? Really? Think union pay, overhead cost, etc. and then compare that to what it would cost overseas. Don't get me wrong, I want all our jobs to stay here. But some of the things suggested are not realistic. And I don't want someone to get paid $2.00/hr for driving a forklift.

Correct pay for the job. Should that high-school educated person driving a fork lift get paid the same as a college educated professional? One has paid his dues in hard work and the other has just paid dues.

Call me crazy (I'm sure you will), but if you really consider the big picture one of the major factors of why the companies are moving off-shore is the high cost of doing business - including over compensation for the job performed.

At least the intelligent ones might be able to see this.

And yes, I was in a union once... I know how it works.

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If the alternative is we all start accepting the same pay as Chinese laborers, then perhaps the solution is to stop deluding ourselves that globalization is a good thing, and go back to protectionism. Hell. we don't export anything anyway, so we might as well tax the crap out of imports so people here can have a decent paying job. Globalization is pretty easy to figure out - its a scheme by multi-national corporations to steal American middle class wealth and use it to create new markets while increasing their profits thanks to cheap labor.
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Don't get me wrong, I want all our jobs to stay here. But some of the things suggested are not realistic. And I don't want someone to get paid $2.00/hr for driving a forklift.
I asked for intelligent discussion - maybe that was to much to ask for. Instead I get my words twisted to fit the propaganda...

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Who is it that twisted your words sweetie, I can't tell from your quote above.
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If the alternative is we all start accepting the same pay as Chinese laborers, then perhaps the solution is to stop deluding ourselves that globalization is a good thing, and go back to protectionism. Hell. we don't export anything anyway, so we might as well tax the crap out of imports so people here can have a decent paying job. Globalization is pretty easy to figure out - its a scheme by multi-national corporations to steal American middle class wealth and use it to create new markets while increasing their profits thanks to cheap labor.
According to the figures posted by kuan1...



(in billions of dollars)

'03 2Q Exports: 1006.5
'03 2Q Imports: 1531.7

Net imbalance 525.5

'04 2Q Exports: 1114.8
'04 2Q Imports: 1695.1

Net imbalance 580.3

Thats 1.114 trillion dollars of exports in the second
quarter of 2004.
Exactly how does that equate to nothing in your book.

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In a dream world, the US would require companies that want to sell its products in the US to be require to manufacture its goods in the US. This would create more jobs, and everyone would be happy.

But we are in an world economy and most people want the cheapest price. Lets think about this; what would you choose if you had to choose between two products that were the same but different in price. Most people would choose the lower price. In order for companies to stay in business, they have to find ways to lower the cost of making products to be competitive.

Because some folks think that you can have a stronger economy by having a strong world economy, our government is giving incentives for companies to build factories outside of the US. You can not blame this on a single party. Both parties could of veto NAFTA or other free trade zones. Clinton signed the NAFTA agreement. Need to thank Bush for blocking the Kyoto Accord. The Kyoto Accord would let undeveloped nations to have factories that would be exempt from environmental pollutions standards that we have in the US or develop European countries.

The world is not a level playing field because other countries have a lower standard of living than the US. Some countries have no environmental regulations. No environmental regulations would lower costs for factories in those countries. Instead of bashing the political parties, you need to protest to our government to make the playing field equal. This may mean tariffs to countries that do not meet minimum pollution standards or labor costs.


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If the alternative is we all start accepting the same pay as Chinese laborers, then perhaps the solution is to stop deluding ourselves that globalization is a good thing, and go back to protectionism. Hell. we don't export anything anyway, so we might as well tax the crap out of imports so people here can have a decent paying job. Globalization is pretty easy to figure out - its a scheme by multi-national corporations to steal American middle class wealth and use it to create new markets while increasing their profits thanks to cheap labor.
According to the figures posted by kuan1...



(in billions of dollars)

'03 2Q Exports: 1006.5
'03 2Q Imports: 1531.7

Net imbalance 525.5

'04 2Q Exports: 1114.8
'04 2Q Imports: 1695.1

Net imbalance 580.3

Thats 1.114 trillion dollars of exports in the second
quarter of 2004.
Exactly how does that equate to nothing in your book.
That's called "rhetorical question". Unlike you, who is just called "stupid".

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In a dream world, the US would require companies that want to sell its products in the US to be require to manufacture its goods in the US. This would create more jobs, and everyone would be happy.

But we are in an world economy and most people want the cheapest price. Lets think about this; what would you choose if you had to choose between two products that were the same but different in price. Most people would choose the lower price. In order for companies to stay in business, they have to find ways to lower the cost of making products to be competitive.

Because some folks think that you can have a stronger economy by having a strong world economy, our government is giving incentives for companies to build factories outside of the US. You can not blame this on a single party. Both parties could of veto NAFTA or other free trade zones. Clinton signed the NAFTA agreement. Need to thank Bush for blocking the Kyoto Accord. The Kyoto Accord would let undeveloped nations to have factories that would be exempt from environmental pollutions standards that we have in the US or develop European countries.

The world is not a level playing field because other countries have a lower standard of living than the US. Some countries have no environmental regulations. No environmental regulations would lower costs for factories in those countries. Instead of bashing the political parties, you need to protest to our government to make the playing field equal. This may mean tariffs to countries that do not meet minimum pollution standards or labor costs.
Well, tigger, you have just hit on one of the key differences between the Republican and Democratic Party platforms. Welcome to the Democratice Party. Now go vote for Kerry.
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