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View Poll Results: Just wondering how people feel on this question asked at the debate. Myself, I think gays are born t
Homosexuals are gay by choice 1 4.00%
Homosexuals are born that way 10 40.00%
Some choose, most are born 5 20.00%
Most choose, some are born 9 36.00%
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I made my vote, but I'll refrain form making any of you "sick" by expressing what it was[;)]

Why do you guys keep debating this issue anyway? The results are always the same. Is it just to justify your view by finding others that agree with you? If so, makes me think you aren't real confidant in your beliefs.[;)]
Well, start better topics that are near and dear to your heart. Suggestion: How to keep molten lava and volcanic ash off my Benz? (my answer: cover your hood with live cats). [:D]

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Just hope you guys realize my comments like my last one are said with a wink and a nudge.[:D][;)]

Anyway, just to surprise some of you, I'll say that I voted that a few are born that way, but most are by choice. I'll give it to the arguement that there are a few "accidents of nature". But very few.
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But that just brings up another question: Why would anyone choose to be a homosexual ? I can see choice possible in a sexual encounter of some sort, but to just one day and choose to become exclusively homsexual after being heterosexual? Who, outside of a prison cell, would do it and why? I just don't see it - I don't see the benefit or the reason for it, and choice is driven by those two things.
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But that just brings up another question: Why would anyone choose to be a homosexual ? I can see choice possible in a sexual encounter of some sort, but to just one day and choose to become exclusively homsexual after being heterosexual? Who, outside of a prison cell, would do it and why? I just don't see it - I don't see the benefit or the reason for it, and choice is driven by those two things.
Actually, I can see a clear reason why being gay is appealing. By necessity, gay people will be an elite. People drawn to elitist philosophies like Nietscheanism reinforce their philosophical tendencies by sexual eliteness. A disproportionate number of intellectuals have been gay. Some gays I have known definitely approach their experience this way.
This says nothing one way or the other about whether homosexuality is right/wrong or caused by nature/nature, but elitist groups do have a certain kind of appeal, including the fact that their dislike by others is a benefit.
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For me, it's kind of the same (only different) as becoming a pedophile. Why choose that? How is having sex with kids satisfying? It's easy to just sit and say how sick they are, but where do they come from? are the "experts" next going to try and pass that off as "being born that way"? Or is always going to be a sin of choice by society? And if so, why? If we're going to accept homosexuality as being "normal", how far are you going to take that? Polygamy isn't even in the same realm. It's still a form of heterosexuality in it's pure form. there's those that have involved pedophillia and incest into the formula, but they're a whole different breed again.
Where are you going to draw the line, and who'll decide what that line is? It's the Roman empire all over again.
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For me, it's kind of the same (only different) as becoming a pedophile. Why choose that? How is having sex with kids satisfying? It's easy to just sit and say how sick they are, but where do they come from? are the "experts" next going to try and pass that off as "being born that way"? Or is always going to be a sin of choice by society? And if so, why? If we're going to accept homosexuality as being "normal", how far are you going to take that? Polygamy isn't even in the same realm. It's still a form of heterosexuality in it's pure form. there's those that have involved pedophillia and incest into the formula, but they're a whole different breed again.
Where are you going to draw the line, and who'll decide what that line is? It's the Roman empire all over again.
The line is simple--consent.
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But that just brings up another question: Why would anyone choose to be a homosexual ? I can see choice possible in a sexual encounter of some sort, but to just one day and choose to become exclusively homsexual after being heterosexual? Who, outside of a prison cell, would do it and why? I just don't see it - I don't see the benefit or the reason for it, and choice is driven by those two things.
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I think that there is a spectrum of sexuality to which all humans fall along somewhere. tendancies, attractions, etc. are by degree from zero up, and I'd guess many more than admit it fall towards the middle. Society colors our vision here: In 100 years will homophobia be considered just as stupid as racism is considered today vs. 100 years ago? Will gay marriage be as much of a non-issue as womens sufferage is today? I think our society has a long way to go.

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I don't think that someone would "decide" something like that, or be capable of that decision. For that reason, I would say that it's genetic (like a birth defect), a malfunction of some sort. The ridiculous premise that "if you're screwed over by the opposite sex enough" making that lifestyle appealing and changes your sexuality just doesn't hold water. Hetero's, think about it. Is there anything you can imagine that would change your view or attract you to the same sex? I think not. Homosexuals many times do not "come out" until they can no longer ignore what their minds and bodies are telling them. The choice was made for them before birth.
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The line is simple--consent.
Give 'em time. That'll be argued away too.
How about our very own school teacher here, Mary Kay what's-her-name? Followed that at all? There wasn't exactly a whole lot of reluctanve going on with the young man she had sex with.
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Homosexuals many times do not "come out" until they can no longer ignore what their minds and bodies are telling them. The choice was made for them before birth.
Sounds like the same excuse as serial killers use.
"I can't help myself!"

Aw well. I'll step out here. All you're arguements sound just as lame to me as I'm sure mine do to you. Have fun.[^]
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