kvining - 10/17/2004 8:07 PM
Botnst - 10/17/2004 7:10 PM
How come each state has two senators while the populations of each state vary widely? If population alone is important, shouldn't senators be apportioned like congressmen?
Why does Rhode Island have the same number of senators as Alaska?
And why does Wyoming even have a congressmen? Its way out of proportion to their population.
Its the recognition that population alone is not sufficient reason to exersize power, else you have strict majority rule. Majority rule fails to protect minority will.
If you want something closer akin to population fairness, invite your state legislature to change the way electors are selected so that each congressional district elects its own elector and two electors are elected state-wide. Its consitutional, but the two major parties figured-out how to limit third parties by shutting-out minority candidacy and power.
Its a false example. THe Senate was never meant by the founders to be a "representative" body. We've been over this before. The House represents the people, and it is apportioned by population. It is given the greatest power of government, the power of the purse. Constitutionally, very little legislation can originate in the Senate, and that is so for a key reason - the founders envisioned the Senate as a council of sages, not legislators. Each state was supposed to send their two most learned men, picked by the legislature of the state. Their job is to be the brake on the passions of the mob, they ae not to originate legislation, they are to examine that which the House has originated and passed. They are there, second time this has been said, to provide Wisdom not representative democracy.
In addition, they are to examine men appointed by the executive branch to positions of great power, again to prevent cadres of radicals being appointed as a result of a demogogue becoming President. They are there to "advise and consent". Please stop using it as an example for your cockeyed theory of why the electoral college was designed as it is. The existance of the Senate and the existance of the EC have never been and are not related.
The college is an abomination left over from the days of slavery. It directly conflicts with the 14th and 15th Amendments, which under the principle of supercession overrule it. It is a time bomb. The Supreme Court needs rule it must follow the one-man one-vote rule that 600,000 Americans died for in the Civil War.
In addition, the whole "rural states vs city states" was over a long time ago. All states have large urban populations. Its time to stop using stupid imaginery lines and "states rights" in the Internet age to justify democracy being stolen from us. The Electoral College is an institution that special interests have found easy to control, and it is one of the ways they control us, becoming an ever more sophisticated technique of our new modern fascists. Its about time the majority got to pick the President of this country. The current one is a damned disaster.
BTW - right now the odds of a Kerry Electoral victory and a popular vote defeat are much higher than vice versa.