Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching. - Mercedes-Benz Forum

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 10:29 AM Thread Starter
Cruise Control
 
Zeitgeist's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: '87 300TD/'90 300D/'94 Quattro/'89 Vanagon TDI/'01 EV Weekender VR6
Location: Cascadia
Posts: 51,729
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Quoted: 1426 Post(s)
Lifetime Premium Member
(Thread Starter)
Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

Published on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 by the Associated Press
Bush Funds US Spying on Internet Chat Rooms
by Michael Hill


TROY, N.Y. -- Amid the torrent of jabber in Internet chat rooms - flirting by QTpie and BoogieBoy, arguments about politics and horror flicks - are terrorists plotting their next move?

The government certainly isn't discounting the possibility. It's taking the idea seriously enough to fund a yearlong study on chat room surveillance under an anti-terrorism program.


CYBERSNOOP
A Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute computer science professor hopes to develop mathematical models that can uncover structure within the scattershot traffic of online public forums.

Chat rooms are the highly popular and freewheeling areas on the Internet where people with self-created nicknames discuss just about anything: teachers, Kafka, cute boys, politics, love, root canal. They are also places where malicious hackers have been known to trade software tools, stolen passwords and credit card numbers. The Pew Internet & American Life Project estimates that 28 million Americans have visited Internet chat rooms.

Trying to monitor the sea of traffic on all the chat channels would be like assigning a police officer to listen in on every conversation on the sidewalk - virtually impossible.

Instead of rummaging through megabytes of messages, RPI professor Bulent Yener (yener@cs.rit.edu) will use mathematical models in search of patterns in the chatter. Downloading data from selected chat rooms, Yener will track the times that messages were sent, creating a statistical profile of the traffic.

If, for instance, RatBoi and bowler1 consistently send messages within seconds of each other in a crowded chat room, you could infer that they were speaking to one another amid the "noise" of the chat room.

"For us, the challenge is to be able to determine, without reading the messages, who is talking to whom," Yener said.

In search of "hidden communities," Yener also wants to check messages for certain keywords that could reveal something about what's being discussed in groups.

The $157,673 grant comes from the National Science Foundation's Approaches to Combat Terrorism program. It was selected in coordination with the nation's intelligence agencies.

The NSF's Leland Jameson said the foundation judged the proposal strictly on its broader scientific merit, leaving it to the intelligence community to determine its national security value. Neither the CIA nor the FBI would comment on the grant, with a CIA spokeswoman citing the confidentiality of sources and methods.

Security officials know al-Qaida and other terrorist groups use the Internet for everything from propaganda to offering tips on kidnapping. But it's not clear if terrorists rely much on chat rooms for planning and coordination.

Michael Vatis, founding director of the National Infrastructure Protection Center and now a consultant, said he had heard of terrorists using chat rooms, which he said offer some security as long as code phrases are used. Other cybersecurity experts doubted chat rooms' usefulness to terrorists given the other current options, from Web mail to hiding messages on designated Web pages that can only be seen by those who know where to look.

"In a world in which you can embed your message in a pixel on a picture on a home page about tea cozies, I don't know whether if you're any better if you think chat would be any particular magnet," Jonathan Zittrain, an Internet scholar at Harvard Law School.

Since they are focusing on public chat rooms, authorities are not violating constitutional rights to privacy when they keep an eye on the traffic, experts said. Law enforcement agents have trolled chat rooms for years in search of pedophiles, sometimes adopting profiles making it look like they are young teens.

But the idea of the government reviewing massive amounts of public communications still raises some concerns.

Mark Rasch, a former head of the Justice Department's computer crimes unit, said such a system would bring the country one step closer to the Pentagon's much-maligned Terrorism Information Awareness program.

Research on that massive data-mining project was halted after an uproar over its impact on privacy.

"It's the ability to gather and analyze massive amounts of data that creates the privacy problem," Rasch said, "even though no individual bit of data is particularly private."

© Copyright 2004 Associated Press
Zeitgeist is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 11:24 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
mzsmbs's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 1972 Mercedes 250 (/8) W114/M130
Location: on a high bank of a creek
Posts: 7,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

so, is the benzworld a chat room?



in political asylum
mzsmbs is offline  
post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 11:46 AM
BenzWorld Member
 
djugurba's Avatar
 
Date registered: Oct 2002
Vehicle: '85 300TD
Location: Cape Cod
Posts: 244
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

so THAT'S why mercedesshop's OD forum went under!

and sadly, the owner's business just weeks later? conink-ie-dink?[;)]

'85 300TD Pastel Beige
361,500 miles and counting
djugurba is offline  
post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 11:51 AM
BenzWorld Extremist
 
CLK3.GS3's Avatar
 
Date registered: May 2004
Vehicle: CLK,SLK
Location: Not far from the White House
Posts: 1,181
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via Yahoo to CLK3.GS3
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

The INTERNETS are bugged! (You had to watch the last debate to get that one/Bush).

W208CLK/R170SLK
CLK3.GS3 is offline  
post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 12:03 PM Thread Starter
Cruise Control
 
Zeitgeist's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: '87 300TD/'90 300D/'94 Quattro/'89 Vanagon TDI/'01 EV Weekender VR6
Location: Cascadia
Posts: 51,729
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Quoted: 1426 Post(s)
Lifetime Premium Member
(Thread Starter)
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

Quote:
mzsmbs - 10/14/2004 12:24 PM

so, is the benzworld a chat room?
It is if THEY say it is...
Zeitgeist is offline  
post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 06:02 PM
BenzWorld Member
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 1986 300SDL
Location: Boston
Posts: 383
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

Kirk, do you think they'll knock before they break down your door?
LK ONE is offline  
post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 11:39 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
mzsmbs's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 1972 Mercedes 250 (/8) W114/M130
Location: on a high bank of a creek
Posts: 7,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

SS doesn't knock.



in political asylum
mzsmbs is offline  
post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-12-2004, 11:56 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
danwatt's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2004
Vehicle: 1990 300SE
Location: San Juan Capistrano, CA
Posts: 1,469
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to danwatt
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

They use the doorbell.
danwatt is offline  
post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-13-2004, 12:08 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
mzsmbs's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 1972 Mercedes 250 (/8) W114/M130
Location: on a high bank of a creek
Posts: 7,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
RE: Keep your thoughts to yourself fellow terrorists, they're watching.

Quote:
danwatt - 10/12/2004 12:56 AM

They use the doorbell.
you'll hear a knock but of a ram...



in political asylum
mzsmbs is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Mercedes-Benz Forums > Off-Topic

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Mercedes-Benz Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











  • Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
     
    Thread Tools
    Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
    Email this Page Email this Page
    Display Modes
    Linear Mode Linear Mode



    Posting Rules  
    You may post new threads
    You may post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is Off
    Trackbacks are On
    Pingbacks are On
    Refbacks are On

     

    Title goes here

    close
    video goes here
    description goes here. Read Full Story
    For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome