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NY Times article, though mostly focused on Kerry's dilemma, does a good job of discussing the issue. Here are the first couple of paragraphs. The article is short enough to read in 5-10 minutes.

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Kerry and Religion: Pressure Builds for Public Discussions
By JODI WILGOREN and BILL KELLER

Published: October 7, 2004



Stephen Crowley/The New York Times


When President Bush took on the issue of embryonic stem cell research in 2001, he framed it as a moral dilemma. He summoned members of the clergy and ethicists, as well as scientists, to counsel him. He prayed over it. His verdict - he imposed strict limits on medical research using the cells derived from human embryos - paid homage to human life as "a sacred gift from our creator."

When Senator John Kerry highlighted the issue this week, he framed it as a matter of clinical science, surrounded himself with university researchers and doctors in white laboratory coats and disease sufferers. Mr. Kerry seized on the stem cell issue to portray himself as the champion of human reason and scientific progress versus what he called Mr. Bush's stubborn devotion to "extreme right-wing ideology."

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good article.

I wish the political discourse in this country was polysyllabic and at above a 3rd grade reading level.

There is a book concerning Bush's self-described moral choices as they relate to themeselves: The President of Good & Evil by Peter Singer. great read.

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never the twain shall mix
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I started reading that piece this morning and didn't finish it, I should pick it up again. It is so hard to be a liberal Catholic anymore since the current pope was elected that just about every pronouncement from the Catholic Church turns my stomach. Most of the progressive/liberal/marxist voices in Catholicism seem to have been silenced. I think this limits the ability of liberal Catholic politicians to speak out because there are so few voices in the religious establishment willing to side with them.
I'd say that I'd be really happy to see the current Pope replaced, but he has filled the Church hierarchy with so many right wing reactionary thinkers that I don't think a progressive pope will be seen for many generations.
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we all bear the same cross[:)]
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the article asserts that polling indicates around 75% of americans desire a president who is of strong faith.
I would be in the 25%, obviously. I'd prefer a president who is able to defend his or her positions based on good grounds, and I think taking things on faith fails that test. So one who routinely appeals to faith, in my opinion and experience, can certainly fall into the trap of side stepping practical realities in favor of a faith-based response: 'it's in God's hands' etc. Of course, there are counterexamples. But, I'd rather have a leader who is uncompromising in his or her decision making, and, as un PC as it might be to say so, an appeal to faith is a compromise.

Now, here is my question. What motivates the 75% who desire the faith in their leader?
I've got some theories, but I'm curious as to yours. We don't need to debate my above position- I know I'm in the minority.

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I think 'of strong faith' may just be a synonym for 'agrees with me', so I'm not sure the poll carries much weight. After all, I doubt if that 75% want a Muslim president of strong faith.
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Yeah, that's more or less my theory...

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Kinda goes with my theory about prayer in schools. It's fine unless they're reading the Koran.
Hmmmm???
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Kinda goes with my theory about prayer in schools. It's fine unless they're reading the Koran.
Hmmmm???
or dedicating the soul of their disected frog to the Dark Lord of Eternal Evil, Satan Himself!

My high school had a priest, a methodist minister, and a rabbi who rotated through the official blessing duties for graduations, etc. How about a Druid? Where is the representation for them???

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