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What exactly does this mean, Mr. Cheney?

10/5/04 VP Debate
IFILL: Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds to respond.
CHENEY: The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there‘s a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but there‘s clearly an established Iraqi track record with terror.

9/14/03 Meet The Press
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Tim, we can do what we have to do to prevail in this conflict. Failure’s not an option. And go back again and think about what’s involved here. This is not just about Iraq or just about the difficulties we might encounter in any one part of the country in terms of restoring security and stability. This is about a continuing operation on the war on terror. And it’s very, very important we get it right. If we’re successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it’s not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it’s not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. They understand what’s at stake here. That’s one of the reasons they’re putting up as much of a struggle as they have, is because they know if we succeed here, that that’s going to strike a major blow at their capabilities.
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uhmm, uhmm, uhmm, this is hard man...[:p]



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RE: What exactly does this mean, Mr. Cheney?

I'd say something like "flip-flopper", but that's got to be the stupidest political insult I've heard.
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This is all part of some bizarre Orwellian thing going down with the uber-right. For weeks now, Rush and Fox have been claiming Bush never actually said "Mission Accomplished", when in fact he did - Condie Rice has some other revisionist lie on a statement she made. these people are dragging us into madness.
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D'oh!
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Mr. Cheney has now been caught in a second blatant lie. I am surprised Edwards did not call him out on it. It was one of Cheney's most effective barbs of the night, when he said he had never met or seen Edwards in the Senate. In fact he had several times:

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RE: What exactly does this mean, Mr. Cheney?

There's a long history of the 'Noble Lie' in politics. But this administration seems to have broken new ground. In the past politicians had the idea that a lie had to be concealed because once uncovered it was useless. This administration has proven this assumption wrong. A lie for the purposes of manipulating public approval can be blatant, public and obvious yet still be effective with a substantial portion of the electorate.
I think one reason for the effectiveness is that the media is willing to repeat the claims of politicians on the nightly news without comment on the obvious fabrications. I think their willingness to do this is a failure of their responsibility in a democracy. For instance, a story about this administrations claims about the aluminum tubes and nuclear weapons should have been followed by an interview with Al Baradi (SP) explaining why he thought they couldn't be used for that purpose.
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"War is peace"
"Fascism is democracy"
"9/11 is Iraq"

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Cheney's house of cards just collapsed. Wish this had come out yesterday - he was asserting the opposite of this report last night, and I am sure he was aware of the contents:


No evidence former Iraqi leader harbored Jordanian radical
Updated: 8:59 a.m. ET Oct. 6, 2004WASHINGTON - A CIA report has found no conclusive evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein harbored Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which the Bush administration asserted before the invasion of Iraq.


“There’s no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi,� a U.S. official said on Tuesday about the CIA findings.

But the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, stressed that the report, which was a mix of new information and a look at some older information, did not make any final judgments or come to any definitive conclusions.

“To suggest the case is closed on this would not be correct,� the official said in confirming an ABC News story about the CIA report that the network said was delivered to the White House last week.

ABC quoted an unnamed senior U.S. official as saying that the CIA document raises “serious questions� about Bush administration assertions that Zarqawi found sanctuary in pre-war Baghdad.

“The official says there is no clear cut evidence that Saddam Hussein even knew Zarqawi was in Baghdad,� ABC reported.

Medical trip doubted
The CIA report concludes Zarqawi was in and out of Baghdad, but cast doubt on reports that Zarqawi had been given official approval for medical treatment there as President Bush said this summer, ABC said.

Earlier on Tuesday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan reasserted that there was a relationship between Saddam and Zarqawi.

“He was in contact from Baghdad with Ansar al-Islam in the northeastern part of Iraq. He had a cell operating from Baghdad during that period, as well. So there are clearly ties between Iraq and — between the regime, Saddam Hussein’s regime and al-Qaida,� McClellan told reporters.

Before last year’s invasion to topple Saddam, the Bush administration portrayed Zarqawi as al- Qaida’s link to Baghdad.

Following Saddam’s capture in December and waves of suicide attacks on U.S. and Iraqi security forces which followed, Zarqawi quickly became America’s top enemy in Iraq. The United States placed a $25 million bounty on his head.

The Jordanian-born Zarqawi and his militant Tawhid and Jihad group have claimed responsibility for a string of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings.

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RE: What exactly does this mean, Mr. Cheney?

How many terrorist hijacker guys were here and operating prior to 9/11? did the govt. even know about them? Is mere presence in a country tantamount to authorization and harboring? If so, WE harbored the worst terror perps ever, for quite some time. I can't believe it's not butter.

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