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But Gloria J. Bergquist, a spokeswoman for the industry trade group Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said the regulations would only reduce worldwide emissions of greenhouse gases by "one-tenth of 1 percent."

"We see that as no apparent health benefit at a great cost to California consumers," she said.
I guess you can choose to take that first step with pride and vision toward the future, or kicking and screaming all the way. I for one, find "one-tenth of 1 percent" rather substantial, all things considered.

I haven't been to Houston, but a good friend describes it as the world's largest suburb. She absolutely loathes it (she isn't all that wild about Phoenix either).

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With the exception of New Orleans, most of the Sunbelt cities do not have good mass transpiration. Pasadena TX was a little farming community east of the “big City� in 1945; today one can not tell where Pasadena starts and Houston ends.
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Houston is one big mess. For years the ultra-conservatives ran the place with their credo of "no government regulation", even to the point of abolishing or preventing the enactment of zoning, and in addition they refused to enact city ordinances to control eyesores,nuisances, or protect architectural heritage. The end result is an incredibly ugly city dotted with toxic waste dumps, pollution, convoluted neighborhoods where a paint factory can be built next door to your house, and a boring 20th Century strip-mall-gone-mad landscape. The only thing left of what looked like a charming Old South city of the 19th Century is a bunch of old photos and a single building downtown the keep as a tourist trap.

THe past haunts us all the time. For years, junkyards abutted suburban neighborhoods, leaching battery acid, gasoline and heavy metals into the ground water. Construction projects routinly have to be abandoned as initial digging oft uncovers huge dumping grounds of 55 gal drums from the 40s, 50s and 60s filled with God knows what.

The refineries have never made a serious effort to rein in there pollution, and if you travel Houston between 1AM and 5AM, the refinery stench is unbelievable as they work to dump as much toxin in the atmosphere as possible while everyone is asleep. Right now the big story is that it has been discovered that the chemical plants have been routinely lying about the amount of toxics they have been emitting - often times reporting one tenth of what they actually dump into the atmosphere, and have been routinally reporting intentional discharges of pollutents into Galveston Bay as "accidents". A UN report described the Houston-Beaumont-Galveston triangle as an "environmental disaster area".

Things are starting to get better due to a huge public outcry over the results of a study done to find out why new industry was no longer locating here. Like many of studies of this type, the conclusion was so obvious as to make spending the money idiotic - new companies don't come here because their employees don't want to breath this shit. Pollution is now hurting the economy. That's about what it takes before anything gets down about anything around here.

Prior to living here, I lived in the Boston area. I'll take the pinko-liberal government-interference of the big northern cities over cowboy capitalism any day. The saddest thing is, Bush has been doing to the whole country what he did in Texas - let the coal, oil, logging, mining and chemical industries call the shots on environmental regulation. Fox is in the henhouse.


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Man, that really sounds like a snake pit -- it's going to take a couple generations to solve the situations you describe -- if they attack the problems intelligently and quickly. I've come to the conclusion that planning, strict zoning, and diligent maintenance can be a wonderful thing. As an example, Prescott, AZ is just about the nicest town I've ever seen. This place was designed from the ground up by some of the countries leading architects to be the territorial capital of AZ (thanks to Abe Lincoln), and it's been maintained as it was built. Pristine, attractive, orderly -- it's a model of how to build a small town. My current residence (Fountain Hills, AZ) is in an area with a very strict association. I may resent their authority at times, but I also realize that their purpose it to maintain the local ecosystem. Who knows what kind of sh!thole this might become without them?

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For some reason fate decreed that I live at two ends of the spectrum, Boston and Houston. Since the feds have a history of doing little or nothing to enforce the environmental laws they put on the books, much now depends on what the state and local governments do, and much of this shows the failure of libertarian philosophy.

The environmental movement of the 70's had a huge impact in New England. Massachusetts, arguably the toughest state in the country on industrial polluters and a state that quickly enacts whatever standard California enacts for cars, has built a model economy of productive, clean industry, and the end result is that it has become a desirous place for companies to locate, rotuinely is rated as the best place to live, and has a strong economy as a result - defying the logic of those who think any and all regulation is bad, as states and cities with no regulation, like Houston and Dallas, either attract no new industry at all or only industries that wish to take advantage of laws that make it easy to poison the populace in their pursuit of profit. Ditto with Vermont, with an enormous tax burden and a socialist economy - the rich of New York trip over themseleves to live there so they can enjoy the anti-Walmart bucolic lifestyle.


Houston is the exact opposite. Libertarian and pro-buiness Republicanism have created the most anti-people city in the country. We have the highest rates of asthma and autism in children and the highest rates of rare cancers, which here are not all that rare, all tied to the air pollution here. George Bush's role in this is truly indicative of his anti-people stance in all issues where the public good conflicts with the profits of rich fatcat polluters and environmental rapists. The heart of Texas pollution is the notorious "grandfather clause". a legendary act of anti-environmental anti-people legislation that can only be described as blatantly corrupt, protected by the Texas Legislature, probably the most bribed legislative body outside of Bangladesh. The law essentially says that if a plant was built before 1978, it can continue to pollute - in other words, those old plants that pollute the most. get to keep doing it. Of course, this law applies to every petrochemical plant in Houston. The end result is these "grandfathered" plants have become massive islands of stench and poison, emitting 100's of millions of tons of heavy metals, pesticides and industrial chemicals into our air, with no fear of retribution from the state. In the 1990's. when the law came up for renewal, George Bush fought tooth and nail to prevent its repeal, despite poll after poll showing the people of this state ( whose opinion does not count for much anyway) wanted the accursed thing gone. At the same time, Bush also shut down state-wide auto emissions testing, portraying it as some pinko-California plot.

The end result is easy to see here. One hundred miles from Houston or Dallas one begins to see the disgusting brown dome that signifies the cities. The powers that be in Austin could care less, as they count their political payoff money.




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