Date registered: Sep 2004
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RE: Why Would Anyone Vote For Kerry
My point is there was no external threat to the United States to push us into making a hasty decision to go to war. In fact the whole thing turned out to be a charade about WMD, and given that fact, we should not have taken any action. Waiting for your justification to go to war to be validated by other sources of information, or at least resolving glaring differences in the information you are getting before going to war would be a sign of a leader with wisdom.
When Congress authorized the use of armed forces to contain the imminent spread of WMD from Saddam's arsenal, there were conditions. Yes, everyone was under the impression they likely existed. But read the authorization. It required exhaustive efforts to establish the necessary circumstances to go ahead. Bush failed to comply and charged ahead. Decisive, yeah, but like a bull charging a red flag. Not much in the way of analysis, validation and planning.
Which continues as we get deeper and deeper into this mire and muck. Way too many decisions based on wanting things to be a certain way, and not enough based on dealing with the world the way it really is. All this equates to poor leadership.
I would welcome someone who would agonize over committing troops to solve a problem with guns, missiles and bombs. I would hope he would test his understanding of the problem over and over until he was certain he was right, then sought external confirmation. This is a common practice in successful corporations before committing to projects or expenditures that could bankrupt the corporation. It is common because it is successful.
What you fail to acknowledge is that Kerry's role to date has not been to make the decision. It was to define conditions under which the decision should be made so it could be supported. These conditions were not followed and Kerry "had to live" with the reality of that, and the reality of the fact that we are now in Iraq. These are not the same conditions the President deals with, and Kerry has been remarkably consistent over the last 4 years with the Congressional Resolutions passed on Iraq from the Clinton Administration and what he thought was going to transpire with the Resolution to authorize the use of military force in Iraq.
Remember, the detailed, daily reports the President got were not shared with Congress. The conversations with his advisors and cabinet members were not shared with Congress, especially not the Democrats from Massachusetts. In many respects the word of the President was taken at face value. This was post 9/11 when the country appeared to be vulnerable to further attacks amidst the Anthrax scare and their new acquaintance with Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. Partisan politics was not entirely set aside, but a unique trust was percieved to be needed between the President and Congress, including the Democrats, to maintain the country's security. That trust manipulated and abused by Bush in his headlong rush to depose Saddam. None of the reasons cited to go have proven to be correct, none of the anticipated responses to our actions have unfolded as we were lead to expect, and none of the present day civil war precursor combat was anticipated and planned.
The actual battle plan was so deficient, the WMD stores being guarded by UN forces, consisting of nuclear materials from the Iraqi reactor plant the Isrealis blew up and other unaccounted for stuff, were left unguarded for several months after "major hostilities ended." They were unguarded because the UN troops guarding them had to leave to avoid being killed by the shock and awe campaign and subsequent ground war. These nuclear materials were subsequently recovered on the black market, which is a stroke of luck. I doubt we will fall into such good fortune again, and only a moron would have this as a feature of his "plan."
Bush's agenda and activities to date are easy to follow if you get sucked in real close and hold your nose to the path he has scented for you to follow. However, if you ever stand back and look at with a question about any aspect, it rapidly unravels into a pile of pocket lint. There is no rhyme or reason, no near term logic and hand off to a long term logic. No back up plans and no step after next plans.
My advice if you really cannot face realizing Bush is not qualified for the job is to stop watching. Plug your ears, cover your eyes and don't engage in these discussions. Human learning is based on pattern recognition. Eventually everyone will see the pattern, or almost everyone. There is always the dope who doesn't see a hurricaine is not a safe surfing opportunity, or doesn't recognize putting your head in a lion's mouth might be dangerous. But given time and exposure to the pattern, it is human to learn to recognize the pattern. My hope is enough people recognize the pattern soon enough that we do not need to fall further in the hole for the next four years. It is readily apparent Bush is not up to the job, so we should do him a favor and relieve him of this burden he is not capable of bearing. Jim