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Situation in Iraq worsens. Mission Unaccomplished Unravels

In the past three weeks, Iraq has gone from a bloodbath to a slaughterhouse. To make matters worse, the US decided to stir the Shiite hornet nest again by raiding the offices of Shiite Mullah al-Sadr and arrested some of his aides. The last time we did something like this, when we closed down his newspaper (some "democracy") we set off months of Shiite violence (remember when they were supposed to be our friends? Now they are "terrorists") that ended in our de facto surrender in Najaf. True to form, once again our police state tactics have instigated a general revolt, and once again we respond by using air strikes in civilian areas, killing women and children in the name of "democracy". Should we order all US civilians to leave Iraq? Is Bush lying when he says "progress is being made" ?

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Bush is not lying when he says "progress is being made". Unfortunately for us, it's by the forces opposed to our occupation, er, I meant liberation forces.
My apologies to the board for being glib on such a serious subject.
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The Iraqi government has already assented to all the names on the list, the official said. The list has gone to coalition forces and the U.S. Embassy for final approval.

The Iraqi government has also made a special request for the release of Ammash on humanitarian grounds, the official said. But because she is one of the top 55 most-wanted Iraqis on the so-called deck of cards, her case requires a Pentagon review.
nice sovereignty.

I can't beleive we let civilians in the war zone in the first place. everybody out, nooooooow!

..and, it depends what you mean by progress? [}:)]



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The whole thing is crazy. Its like we went to Stalingrad to set up a government while the Russians and Germans fought over the place. There is a freaking war going on, and they are trying to act like one isn't, for the benefit of the American voter. People that ought to be in bunkers and fox holes are standing in line in the street to put in an application for a policemen's job. US civilians are driving tanker trucks around like they are in downtown Phoenix. Our airplanes fly around dropping 1000 lbs in civilian neighborhoods. INSANE.
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I submit to you that the press is not aware, nor capable of accurately portraying our military situation in Iraq. They are neither privy to the command decisions and operations, nor should they be. They are not given briefings, told of movements, attacks or battle assessment for obvious reasons. They are deaf, dumb and blind and trying to report on 'what's happening'. Any wonder they get it wrong?

We are not losing. We have been successful and are getting closer to the core elements of this 'insurgency' every day. You can gauge this success by the fact that there are fewer attacks on US military forces and even Iraqi security forces, but a sharp increase in kidnappings and lone bombers. They are getting desperate. In order to 'do something' they are increasingly pairing down their operations to snatching handfuls of people.

Where are the 'massive' strikes by up to a hundred or so gun-wielding insurgents we saw in June-July? Gone. They're down to platoon-sized fights that disperse within minutes of a counter-attack. In May a British unit of the Argylls was forced to conduct a bayonet assault out of an ambush near Basra. Now the town is one of quiet spots in the country.

Secondly, insurgent campaigns run on money, not passion. Someone has to purchase the guns, ammo, fuel, munitions, and food for these guys, and provide medical treatment and evacuation. If they don't thier 'popular' forces tend to drift away. No one wants to be on the second place team.

From the look of things, the insurgents are running out of cash and volunteers at an alarming rate. The public beheadings we've seen recently are a RECRUITING campaign, nothing more. They are playing their last cards to the street rats of Mecca and Cairo to come join their cause. Only problem is, the Arabs can count casualties too. For every one of ours, we're bagging some 15 to 20 of theirs. They might get a fanatic few, but they won't get many more.

They're on their last leg. When the brutality goes sky-high, it's a sign they are in really bad straits.
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i just don't get it. it's just straight up lies now. shrub isn't even trying to be coy.

ignorance is bliss. everybody is just fazing this out of their minds... you pretty much have to read heavily between the lines anymore... reminiscent of the old ruskies... most of peeps aren't even trying to look for the info...who cares....
hope Kerry puts it togather for the debates... or we might as well annex the 51st-ers. [;)] they got oil and lumber and there are a bunch of frenchies running wild there in them woods...[8)]



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They're on their last leg. When the brutality goes sky-high, it's a sign they are in really bad straits.
sounds like a german quote from the russian front [8)][:D][:D]



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I submit to you that the press is not aware, nor capable of accurately portraying our military situation in Iraq. They are neither privy to the command decisions and operations, nor should they be. They are not given briefings, told of movements, attacks or battle assessment for obvious reasons. They are deaf, dumb and blind and trying to report on 'what's happening'. Any wonder they get it wrong?
So this latest national security briefing that Bush read regarding the situation in Iraq has been mis-characterized? As I recall, the best-case scenario was for the situation to "not get worse". And Bush lies and says this is progress.

I submit to you the situation in Iraq is worse than the press reports for the very same reasons you state.

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guag, a guerilla movement wins by not losing. Guerillas can survive for years on cheap, improvised weapons, just ask anyone who has dealt with the Viet Cong.

Last Sunday, three Republican senators, McCain, Hagel, and Kyle pretty much said that what you are saying is a pipedream. Iraq has a border of desert sand, thousands of miles of it, from thru it will flow munitions and cash from the nations around it. Pitched battles have ceased because we gave up and allowed the insurgents safe havens, from which they are carrying on their guerilla war. The CIA said the most probable outcome of the current situation was total civil war and instability for 10 years, no matter what we do. Instead of your pipe dream, I think a realistic person has to go with the three Republican senators and the CIA - the war is a botch job.
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They're on their last leg. When the brutality goes sky-high, it's a sign they are in really bad straits.
sounds like a german quote from the russian front [8)][:D][:D]
Like I said, the man needs to talk to someone who has dealt with the Viet Cong. Not to mention that levels of brutality in war can be graded like a potato of some sort. Their brutality simply is in response to ours - we have killed about 14,000 innocent Iraqi non-combatants since April, according to the Red Cross estimates. We have set those people on fire, blown up their kids so they could watch them die, turned mothers into childless basket cases, robbed children of their parents and made them amputeed orphans, by the thousands. War is all hell. If someone invaded my country and killed my kids, I'd cut his head off with a dull knife too. This is war. What did you guys expect?
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