kvining - 9/16/2004 9:47 PM
The people who prosecuted and supported the Vietnam War need to get over the fact they lost it. They lost the war, not John Kerry. By the time Kerry opened his mouth the war had been going on for nine years, not even counting the decades we supported the French. All during the stupid thing these same right wing guys villified, beat up and arrested those who disagreed with the war, and if they had listened to them instead we would have saved a lot of lives. It was a stupid, unwinnable war that was only fought because the War Pigs thought it could be won. We could have occupied all of Vietnam with a million troops, and it still would not have been enough. You cannot defeat a determined guerilla enemy that has the support of the indigenous population by occupying the country. It doesn't work. If our President had been sober during the Vietnam War, he might have remembered that fact of military science before he did the same damn stupid thing in Iraq. I think we need to replace this boob with John Kerry,. who learned these lessons first hand, by getting shot at while Bush was snorting coke with his lady friends.
You must have a kinder, gentler mood going, KV. I thought it was mighty big of you to assume GWB was snorting with lady friends. I mean, imagine the scandal if the Republican President was snorting coke with some guy friends! I think that might break the back of the GOP machine. They might have to replace him on the ticket if that got out.
As for Kerry's post-Vietnam tour protests, I think many of the people still there at the time actually owe their lives to the protesters. Without the turmoil at home the political system would have kept the war going, and tens of thousands more American kids would have been killed, maimed or psychologically devastated before being sent back. It was not a fault of the soldiers that United States sent them into a war that was not being fought for the nation's survival. As a result, the cost of the war in terms of lives and "treasure" as it is called today, was reported relentlessly and, given the fact that the United States was not actually threatened by the North Vietnamese, the cost was perceived to be a waste by many who were either directly threatened by this "expense" or others who had been widowed, orphaned or involuntarily become physical and psychological therapists for returning loved ones missing limbs and/or chunks of their minds. Many of these people became protesters. John Kerry joined them, not to disgrace the soldiers that he fought next to while he was in Vietnam but to do what he could to end the war. The perceived waste was pointed out equally relentlessly by the protesters, and eventually public opinion changed enough to force the politicians to end the war by bringing our forces home.
We left and, while I know others find this statement hard to swallow because they have declared a long and deep appreciation for the South Vietnamese people that were slaughtered by the new regime, in my opinion, nothing bad happened. That region of the world quickly settled down, breathed a big sigh of relief, and the Vietnamese people went back to being the Vietnamese people without Americans fixing their ideological shortcomings with guns, bombs and napalm.
I find it amazing that anyone can portray the Vietnam era as anything but the horror that it was. Ending the war was correct. Much like many people's feelings that chasing down Osama is worthwhile at any cost today, it was felt doing anything that helped end the war a second sooner was worthwhile. John Kerry surely helped in that cause. To portray his efforts any other way is to deny the horror of that part of American history. Jim