kvining - 9/16/2004 12:14 PM
GermanStar - 9/16/2004 12:26 PM
I don't think anyone is bashing mercedesshop. We all like mercedesshop, but were disappointed when OD closed -- that's all. Bill is a great guy, and it's his site, and it's his prerogative to do so. It is also our prerogative to try to keep our little community together. There are no hard feelings here -- I'm sure most of the folks here will still visit mercedesshop for tech info, and many will continue to support the site. [:)]
I totally agree. I still visit the SL forum, and will continue to do so, as long as guys like ctaylor are over there, a guy who can give me better answers than my mechanic. The way I look at it, the management over there finally faced up to the fact they did not have the resources to properly moderate the forum, and it was becoming more hassles than it was worth. If they were doing it to shut a point of view or a particular person, they would have banned them, and they did not - there message is clear - you are welcome to come here to discuss cars. I will honor that, and it may work out well for all in the end.
I have no doubt that Bill is a nice guy, but I will probably never meet him and my very few experiences with him paint a different picture. It is very, very minor, but personally, I got caught in the crossfire: I followed the rules, submitted a thoughtful reply to a thread, and it was deleted. No explanation or communication with me, just removed. Then, to compound it, ongoing users there appear to believe that such behavior is commendable. The more I learn about the history and the people involved (e.g., folks here), the worse I think it is.
Frankly, I find the "information" to be not very helpful anyway. Maybe if the problem is common enough and the discussion long enough it will help. I can get that without participating. Today I looked for a way to cancel my "membership" and couldn't figure out a way. And I need to contact a few people there who I was communicating with privately.
I'll go on. There does seem to be a correlation between people who own a bunch of Mercedes and success, education, knowledge, etc. Odd that more people don't write more about who they are career-wise. I often tend to look at businesses in terms of management consulting and marketing. With respect to MShop, I QUESTION (I admit I know very little) whether it is good business OR good people skills. The forum regulars constituted quite a nice little franchise/asset, and one built up over years. I learned something here in that I never considered a forum as requiring "mod work," but that seems accurate; well that's part of the bargain (and it doesn't seem that hard to do). That asset is valuable to the business and it works both ways--it may help sell parts, advertising, etc. and more people and more knowledge makes the forum information more valuable. I tried to tell them that IN THE FORUM and they squashed it.
Plus, to me a business (i.e., forum) that is socially, politically, etc. etc. aware is one I want to do business with. Finally, with respect to people skills, MShop has my e-mail address, they could have posted announcements, etc. Again, catering to one market segment--single, car minded-only individuals, or Republicans--isn't smart business. Have you ever had a "personal" conversation with a colleague at work? Gimme a break. And risk hurting your business AND not caring about your customers, politics, etc. etc.? I'm outta there.