» Site Navigation
» Other Sites
Links

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Tire Upgrade Garage

Sponsors

Sponsors


Go Back   Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum > General Mercedes-Benz Forums > Off-Topic
Register Home Forum Photo Gallery Active Topics Blogs Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


       
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-30-2004, 11:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
MikeV
BenzWorld Member
 
MikeV's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2004
Vehicle: '04 E55 Tectite
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 257
Kerry's Speech

It appears to me that many of you that post here with a liberal view are at the extreme end of the political spectrum. I understand that some might see me as being on the opposite end of the spectrum. However, I'm very curious on what your (the liberal posters here) take was on last night's speech. Kerry appeared sperate himself as far away from the Hate Bush crowd as possible. Your thoughts?
__________________
'04 E55 AMG
'04 Yukon Denali
'02 Ram 1500 Quad Cab
'94 928 GTS (SOLD)
MikeV is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-30-2004, 11:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
MikeV
BenzWorld Member
 
MikeV's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2004
Vehicle: '04 E55 Tectite
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 257
RE: Kerry's Speech

I though Kerry made a good speech. He didn't come off as much as a "Herman Munster" as I thought he would. I think having his PT-109 comrades on stage was a powerful image. And I though his reenacment video was well shot and well put together. I thought that his "hawkish" tone was completely disingenuine. My personal belief is that he's already been painted as a flip-floper and that much of the undecides will see this sudden "pro-war" stance as such. Regardless the next 100 days will be fun. I look forward to the debates.
MikeV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2004, 12:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
MikeV
BenzWorld Member
 
MikeV's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2004
Vehicle: '04 E55 Tectite
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 257
RE: Kerry's Speech

Chuck, do you think that Socialized medicine will cost YOU less than your current healthcare?
MikeV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2004, 02:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
MikeV
BenzWorld Member
 
MikeV's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2004
Vehicle: '04 E55 Tectite
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 257
RE: Kerry's Speech

Chuck, how can you say that Kerry and Bush are the same on the War and on Terror? Kerry has spent years in the Senate voting against bills and spending that would have strengthened the millitary and intellegence infrastructure. Last night's speech was eliquint but I thought very phony. He voted for the war, but then back pedalled on what he actually voted for. Now he's a Hawk?
MikeV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2004, 02:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
MikeV
BenzWorld Member
 
MikeV's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2004
Vehicle: '04 E55 Tectite
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 257
RE: Kerry's Speech

It was a baited question. I've read Chuck's posts for a while, and I zeroing in on the AMG comment. I'm guessing that Chuck's Share to pay for socialized medicine would be much more than his current costs.

I'm in favor of some type of safetynet medical care system for everyone. We actually do have something like that right now, but emergency rooms are far from effiecient. I think tort reform, tigheter controls on the use of technology, and more of an emphasis on vacinations and preventive medicine, and tigher borders would all help the effort and make some type of socialiazed option palletable to those who currently oppose the idea. My only fear is a single system that everyone must take part in, like in Canada. There's a reason so many Canadians go to Detroit of all places to have certain procedures performed.
MikeV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2004, 02:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
engnenk
BenzWorld Member
 
Date registered: Apr 2004
Vehicle: 1980 250GD Cabrio
Location: The burbs north of Chicago
Posts: 226
RE: Kerry's Speech

This discussion is far too civil. I can't wait for it to melt down into partisan namecalling. However, on the topic of the post, I have not seen or heard the speech in its entirity. It was an attempt to appear centrist and I agree that Bush will do the same.

There is nothing to be gained by preaching to the converted at the risk of alienating the undecided. The only twist for Kerry is the Nader factor. If Kerry appears too centrist then Ralph will rear his ugly head and start wooing the far left .

Probably nothing that Kerry could say would entice MikeV to vote Democrat.

For me, the only thing that Bush could say to get me to vote Republican is "I quit and John McCain is the new candidate"


engnenk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2004, 02:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
MikeV
BenzWorld Member
 
MikeV's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2004
Vehicle: '04 E55 Tectite
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 257
RE: Kerry's Speech

ML, if you're really interested in Kerry's voting record in terms of defense you can take a look at this link.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...6/132851.shtml

Oh, and thanks the Eliquint clarification. It's that whole "hooked on phonics thing." You're my Scholarly friend.


Engnenk, I agree with everything in your post. With the exception of the McCain thing. Then again if the Dems were running Lieberman/Miller they'd have my vote.
MikeV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2004, 03:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
Tim
BenzWorld Senior Member
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 2001 ML320
Posts: 401
RE: Kerry's Speech

Quote:
MikeV - 7/30/2004 5:35 PM

ML, if you're really interested in Kerry's voting record in terms of defense you can take a look at this link.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...6/132851.shtml

Oh, and thanks the Eliquint clarification. It's that whole "hooked on phonics thing." You're my Scholarly friend.


Engnenk, I agree with everything in your post. With the exception of the McCain thing. Then again if the Dems were running Lieberman/Miller they'd have my vote.
Well you really have to question a news article which immediately refers to the Soviet Union as the "evil empire". Don't you think there might just be a little bit of bias there?

Have a look at the real story behind these distortions on Kerry's voting record.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177
Tim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2004, 05:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
E V12 Nerd
BenzWorld Extremist
 
Date registered: Dec 2003
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 1,042
RE: Kerry's Speech

Quote:
engnenk - 7/30/2004 2:24 PM

This discussion is far too civil. I can't wait for it to melt down into partisan namecalling. However, on the topic of the post, I have not seen or heard the speech in its entirity. It was an attempt to appear centrist and I agree that Bush will do the same.



I think it's a good thing that it's civil, it's more helpful than everyone stubbornly sticking to a (sometimes totally bogus) point and bashing each other.
E V12 Nerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2004, 05:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
E V12 Nerd
BenzWorld Extremist
 
Date registered: Dec 2003
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 1,042
RE: Kerry's Speech

Quote:
engnenk - 7/30/2004 2:24 PM

This discussion is far too civil. I can't wait for it to melt down into partisan namecalling. However, on the topic of the post, I have not seen or heard the speech in its entirity. It was an attempt to appear centrist and I agree that Bush will do the same.



I think it's a good thing that it's civil, it's more helpful than everyone stubbornly sticking to a (sometimes totally bogus) point and bashing each other.
__________________
Nur das beste, oder nichts.
-Gottlieb Daimler
E V12 Nerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum > General Mercedes-Benz Forums > Off-Topic





Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:26 AM.



Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6