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Old 08-03-2004, 10:41 AM   #81 (permalink)
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... However, you have just proven that money does not buy knowledge. Your lack thereof is evident, i'm afraid. Besides my experiences were that of my youth, before I was 16. I didn't seek it. It landed in my lap. As a result, I accrued wisdom beyond my years.

One can be a business-guru and be very much deficiant in knowledge of world politics.

I may not have as much as you in the pure economic-sense of the word. However, i'm richer in wisdom than millions languishing in a bank account can ever do.
And thanks to your arguments and some of the statements you've made you've proven that a "great" private education doesn't inflict wisdom either.

You statement about accruing wisdom beyond your years is not a statement of a wiseman. It's actually pretty funny.

TCPML, help me out here. I need a quote about the wiseman who talked too much about his wisdom. I'm sure you've got something that would apply.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:00 AM   #82 (permalink)
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So when exactly were you a world traveling, private school going, four language speaking, holier than thou Brooklynite - at the age of 15?
Well...you do know that the UN headquarters are in NY, right??

We lucked out I suppose. We grew up from very modest upbringings. My dad was an immigrant and became very lucky when he applied at the UN and achieved a well-paying respectable job. We later moved to Europe when I was just in Junior High in Brooklyn. Back when NY subways were grafittied. That should tell you that i'm currently in my early 30s. Yes, Brooklyn currently is becoming growingly a transplant community from migrants from other states. Not just from other countries.

I knew two languages by the age of six. Three by 12 (Spanish). And four by 15 (German). German is a very difficult language to learn IMO.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:06 AM   #83 (permalink)
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And thanks to your arguments and some of the statements you've made you've proven that a "great" private education doesn't inflict wisdom either.

You statement about accruing wisdom beyond your years is not a statement of a wiseman. It's actually pretty funny.
Very easy to spout this off. You have no relevance as to why my education has been a detriment as you claim. I feel you are spouting this, since you are attempting in vain to ridicule my blessings in life. However, at the age of 16, it was very much the case.

Explain what you have had in comparison at the age of 16 that can even remotely qualify as a comparison. It's very simple of you to demean my upbringing with juvenile remarks eg 'you've proven that a "great" private education doesn't inflict wisdom either'

Typical trademark of a low-class individual.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:33 AM   #84 (permalink)
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And thanks to your arguments and some of the statements you've made you've proven that a "great" private education doesn't inflict wisdom either.

You statement about accruing wisdom beyond your years is not a statement of a wiseman. It's actually pretty funny.
Very easy to spout this off. You have no relevance as to why my education has been a detriment as you claim. I feel you are spouting this, since you are attempting in vain to ridicule my blessings in life. However, at the age of 16, it was very much the case.

Explain what you have had in comparison at the age of 16 that can even remotely qualify as a comparison. It's very simple of you to demean my upbringing with juvenile remarks eg 'you've proven that a "great" private education doesn't inflict wisdom either'

Typical trademark of a low-class individual.
LOL, You're a funny guy.

Where did I say that your education has been a detriment? Congratulations for the opportunities you've had. It's too bad you didn't absorb the education that was presented to you. The posts that you've made bear that out. (Bush has killed as many people as Aids, 100 or so "dictators," etc.)

Think of how the left points to the fact that even though Bush attended Yale and Harvard Business School yet he is still a dunce. Well I wouldn't call you a dunce, but just because you went to a particular school doesn't mean you learned much.

What you fail to see here is that your thumping of your chest as to how "wise" you are only proves the opposite. When I was 16 I was more interested in getting layed than anything. So no, I can't go toe-to-toe on our educations to that point. I can however debate you on this board on the topics of the day and continue to expose your lack of "wisdom" on so many things, foreign and domestic.

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Old 08-03-2004, 02:59 PM   #85 (permalink)
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continue to expose your lack of "wisdom" on so many things, foreign and domestic.
Is your little brain telling you that you were able to expose my lack of "wisdom"?? There are over 100 dictators (obviously they don't call themselves dictators) around this world. A statement I stick strongly to.

As for the 'killing more than AIDS comment'...I could have been evasive and then clarified it by saying 'killed more than AIDS does in America' or 'more than AIDS in one month', but rather I came clean and admitted I was wrong. More than you're willing to admit that you're really ignorant to world politics and are justifing the war effort only because your kids are involved.

Which is more than I can say about you. Given an unlabelled map I can ask you were Uganda is and you'll be puzzled, whereas I can spot it out and tell you about it's history, it's capital and their current currency. You cannot go toe-to-toe with me in politics. Don't kid yourself.

But like TCP said, who's to say I can do that even?? Maybe i'm a 21 year old midget on welfare living in Louisiana?? Who knows?

I guess you'll never really know.
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Old 08-03-2004, 03:42 PM   #86 (permalink)
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continue to expose your lack of "wisdom" on so many things, foreign and domestic.
Is your little brain telling you that you were able to expose my lack of "wisdom"?? There are over 100 dictators (obviously they don't call themselves dictators) around this world. A statement I stick strongly to.

As for the 'killing more than AIDS comment'...I could have been evasive and then clarified it by saying 'killed more than AIDS does in America' or 'more than AIDS in one month', but rather I came clean and admitted I was wrong. More than you're willing to admit that you're really ignorant to world politics and are justifing the war effort only because your kids are involved.

Which is more than I can say about you. Given an unlabelled map I can ask you were Uganda is and you'll be puzzled, whereas I can spot it out and tell you about it's history, it's capital and their current currency. You cannot go toe-to-toe with me in politics. Don't kid yourself.

But like TCP said, who's to say I can do that even?? Maybe i'm a 21 year old midget on welfare living in Louisiana?? Who knows?

I guess you'll never really know.
Again, you're a funny guy.

My kids are involved in the war effort? Would that be my 5 year old or my 6 month old? Regardless, I'm proud of their efforts.

If being able to recite Michael Moore Talking Points is your interpretation of being well versed in World Politics. Well then I guess you're a "wise" man. You know it's funny you bring up Uganda, my mom's Ugandan. Seriously, I'm not sure you know this but there's a trick that Michael Moore uses when he's speaking abroad. He'll ask the crowd say in Uganda for instance, who the president of the United States is. They all answer George Bush of course. Then you'll ask what the capital of the United States is, they all answer Washington DC. He'll even ask what the currency is in the United States. Again, they all answer correctly. Then he'll play a video asking the average American what the capital or Uganda is, who the president is, and what the currency is. Of course the answer is "I don't know." Truth is nobody gives a shit who runs Uganda, what currency they use and where the capita is. Michael would be proud of you.

How does trivial knowledge of a third world country have anything to do with anything we've been discussing here?

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How does trivial knowledge of a third world country have anything to do with anything we've been discussing here?
It doesn't. He's trying to create a diversion because he can't substantiate his rantings when called out. Like I said earlier...a helluva debater....
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Old 08-04-2004, 03:58 AM   #88 (permalink)
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How does trivial knowledge of a third world country have anything to do with anything we've been discussing here?
It doesn't. He's trying to create a diversion because he can't substantiate his rantings when called out. Like I said earlier...a helluva debater....
Would that be like comparing the situation in Iraq to the Civil War? LOL

BTW, 6 more American Soldiers died in Iraq yesterday.
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Would that be like comparing the situation in Iraq to the Civil War? LOL

The comparison is that the end of slavery that came as a result of the civil war was not the reason for war. The reason was to preserve the Union. There are benefits for war aside from the initial reasons. The benefits in this case will be a free and democratic state in the middle of the Middle-East. With moderate states close by, Jordan, Turkey, and Kuwait. A successful Iraq could completely change the Middle-East and bring it into the 1st world, this is a very long term project.
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The Civil War started when the South attacked the North. There is no other reason.

As far as this theory about stablizing the ME. Lets look at the countries you mentioned. Jordan is ruled by a King as is Kuwait which is closely tied to the Saudis. The people have no right to vote, no say in the government, are subject to harsh laws and seeth with anger at the USA for supporting these regimes. In Kuwait they still behead people in the same manner as the terrorists we are fighting. Why would we want to support these places? It is niave to think that what is going on in Iraq is going to change this as long as these dictatorships have our blessing.

Turkey, a NATO ally, refused to get involved with the war in Iraq, even refusing to let the USA to launch an invasion from there. And just his week they stoped all truck traffic in and out of Iraq because of fears of terrorists attacks. Attacks they did not have to worry about when Saddam was running things. Turkey never supported what the USA did in Iraq and never will.

If the goal was the establishment of a free and democratic state, as you suggest then Iraq has been a dismal failure. If there were not 120,000+ USA troops there, the place would disolve into complete chaos. Sorry but the Civil War was never like this.
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