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Old 07-31-2004, 02:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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*****!!!!!KERRY/EDWARDS 2004!!!!!*****
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Old 07-31-2004, 02:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Chuck V - 7/30/2004 6:18 PM

Yes, I do believe that I will be better off in the long run. I am in very poor health and use more than my share of resources. Even with fairly good coverage, I'm paying around $500 per month in co-payments, which is a bargin just the same. Everytime I'm admitted to the hospital, the bill runs $5,000-$10,000 for just one or two nights. Part of the reason is the large number of uninsured who don't go to a doctor until they are in really bad shape.
Sorry to hear about your health. I think converting over to a socialized system at this point in time would be a very bad thing. I think much needs to be done in order to reduce costs prior to even entertaining the ides. Medical tort reform, over use of unnecessary technologies, implementation of preventive medicine, etc.

I also think that it's sadly ironic that you would be the in line for socialized medicine given your sizable profesed wealth. If anyone should be covering their own costs, or at least a larger portion I think it's you. Being a "Heir" to a sizeable amount it's ironic that you would place your burden on the backs of middle class families working hard in an attempt to garner the wealth that you've fallen into by way of your family tree.
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Old 08-01-2004, 03:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Don't forget, one reason that health care is so $$$$$$$$ are trial lawyers like Edwards!!

*************Kerry/Edwards*****************
When you are as full of SHIT as these guys... YOU NEED TWO JOHNS!!
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Old 08-01-2004, 04:01 PM   #14 (permalink)
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When you are as full of SHIT as these guys... YOU NEED TWO JOHNS!!
Why bring up Clinton's misgivings when we openly have a Bush and a Dick in plain view at the White House for the past four years??

What we need is a condom at the White House, because this Bush/Dick is responsible for more deaths worldwide than AIDS!!
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Then they are doing their job and keeping you safe!!
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Old 08-01-2004, 06:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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What we need is a condom at the White House, because this Bush/Dick is responsible for more deaths worldwide than AIDS!!
I would like to see those numbers and the sources they came from... In other words, back it up.

On another note: You mentioned that there are more cops in NYC than troops in Afghanistan - which got me thinkin'.
There are more cops here in Oklahoma City than in the whole state of Maine. And Maine is almost as big as Oklahoma. Why is that? Because of population per square mile. Maybe your comment is just a little slanted - what's the population of NYC/square mile compared to the population of Afghanistan/square mile? This will affect the need for coverage. Also, maybe our troops did a good enough of a job that a massive amount of troops aren't necessary.
I say these things from a bird's eye view - admitting I don't have the numbers... I'm just trying to use a little common sense. And maybe add the rest of the story.

Just my .02 cents worth.

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Old 08-01-2004, 06:58 PM   #17 (permalink)
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On another note: You mentioned that there are more cops in NYC than troops in Afghanistan - which got me thinkin'.
Uhm, actually I didn't say that.... you're quoting the worng dude.

As for numbers that back me up...

I was wrong...unfortunately more people die from AIDS.... (3 million!!)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/conditions/11/25/aids.reut/


However, using these sources....


http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/


Let's see....


13000 Iraqi civilians +
913 US troops +
6370 Iraqi troops +
121 Other coalition dead
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Total over 20,400+ dead

(due to Bush wanting revenge for Daddy-killing plot,
Iraqi oil control and rejuvination of economy using
'rebuilding Iraq' oil-for-utility 'program')


Oh, it's only 20,400+ and counting....

Imagine 20,400 corpses in your town littered in the streets....

Can you smell the stench??
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Old 08-01-2004, 07:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Now be sure you're not slanting things here. You make it sound like our troops did all those numbers:

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Total over 20,400+ dead
I would venture to say that a lot of the Iraqi civilian deaths were brought on by the terrorist themselves. And I know what you'll say: "If we weren't there, it wouldn't have happened". Bulls*%t!
How many people did Saddam murder before he was dethroned? Hundreds of thousands? Maybe more... If he (and his sons) were still in power how many hundreds of thousands more would end up in un-marked mass graves?

Tell the whole story...
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Old 08-01-2004, 07:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Oh, I checked out your web links. I couldn't find any credible sources of where they got there numbers.

Just like both ends of the political spectrum, they'll twist any data they get to prove their point.
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Old 08-01-2004, 07:41 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I was wrong...unfortunately more people die from AIDS.... (3 million!!)
Next time please don't say it unless you know it to be true. At least you admitted the error, only after someone called you on it...

I always admit that I could be wrong when using questionable numbers. I try not to slant data for my own purposes - just try to present the facts that I know or have read and let others intrepret them as they will.

But, that's just my opinion.

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