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>>>I believe the biggest threat to world peace today is Bush. And I know if Gore were elected (which BTW won the most VOTES) we'd have a more peaceful world & 500 US soldiers would be alive today.<<<

What world peace? There is no world peace, so it certainly can't be threatened.

When the armed SWAT team arrives to kill the man who murdered and barricaded himself, the SWAT team is not "threatening the peace".

Talk to the families of the 1,000,000 Rwandans slaughtered while the U.N. "Peacekeepers" hostered their weapons and watched. I'll bet they would not call that "World Peace". The U.N. sure thought it would be "war mongering" to intervene.

Peace is not simply the absence of armed conflict. It is not the opposite of war. Peace requires the absence of threat as well. It requires security. Security that keeps those who want us dead too concerned about the response they will meet for acting, and security that prevents the suicidal from inflicting damage upon us when they act.

The Koran instructs the faithful to kill the infidel. I agree that most Muslims don't adhere to the true faith, but claiming that the religion of the Koran and Mohammed is a "religion of peace" indicates that you are either ignorant, have an agenda, or are lying. Bush has an agenda when he says this. What about you?

Ever hear of the Copts? Coptic Christian Arabs who used to make up more than 20% of the population of Egypt? Talk to them about the religion of peace.

Howard Dean's brother Charlie would have been one to agree that "Bush is the greatest threat to world peace". In fact he traveled to SouthEast Asia to protest the Vietnam war and express solidarity with the VietCong. They murdered him.

Finally, I find it offensive that you would invoke the memory of our 500 some fallen heros in the name of your effort to undermine the security of my family. None of them were draftees. They knowingly and willingly put their lives on the line to protect us- and you by default. They did not go as conquerors or oppressors. Don't dare pretend that you are not gleeful each time one of them dies. Don't pretend to lament their loss.

So far, the majority of your assertions could be found on bumper stickers attached to "feel good" hybrid cars in Berkeley.

Explain what you would DO.


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>>> bet that if I went to a German MB forum and this topic was raised, i'd have a lot more symphatic responses in my arguement's favor.<<<

Even more on a Taliban forum.

The Germans resent us for defeating them, liberating them, and then protecting them. People will forgive any manner of trangression against them- except favors.

The book claiming that 9/11 was a CIA/Jewish plot was a best seller in Germany.

Yes, you have a more sympathetic audience there.

The current regimes of Iran and North Korea would really like you , too. They would set you up as a celebrity. Probably provide you with a nice place to live and lots of slave girls.

I guess we just don't get it.

As far as those who voted for a Democrat last time around, consider the motivation of each voter. Government employees , trade union members, and the constituencies of poverty pimps will forever vote for Democrats and the acquittal of OJ Simpson.




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>>> bet that if I went to a German MB forum and this topic was raised, i'd have a lot more symphatic responses in my arguement's favor.<<<

Even more on a Taliban forum.

The Germans resent us for defeating them, liberating them, and then protecting them. People will forgive any manner of trangression against them- except favors.

The book claiming that 9/11 was a CIA/Jewish plot was a best seller in Germany.

Yes, you have a more sympathetic audience there.

The current regimes of Iran and North Korea would really like you , too. They would set you up as a celebrity. Probably provide you with a nice place to live and lots of slave girls.

I guess we just don't get it.

As far as those who voted for a Democrat last time around, consider the motivation of each voter. Government employees , trade union members, and the constituencies of poverty pimps will forever vote for Democrats and the acquittal of OJ Simpson.




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Over half the country didnt want him into office. Think about that.
Thank God for the electoral college system, or California, New York, and Texas could make the decisions for all of us. Much of the country voted uninformed and party sheep. Still can't get over the system working as designed, huh? Maybe another recount would make you feel better.


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I didnt think that you either had to support the Bush administration (and it's decisions) or leave the country. This isn't Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany, you know.

Isn't President Bush Adolf Hitler reincarnated? You have the freeight to express your opinion merouby, as we do to tell you how wrong you are on so many points.


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I bet that if I went to a German MB forum and this topic was raised, i'd have a lot more symphatic responses in my arguement's favor.
I bet you would. Try a Palestinian forum too while your at it. You'll get the sympathy for your opinion your looking for.

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I believe the biggest threat to world peace today is Bush. And I know if Gore were elected (which BTW won the most VOTES) we'd have a more peaceful world & 500 US soldiers would be alive today.
merouby,

I couldn't disagree with you more. If Al Gore were president, he wouldn't have the courage to fight back. He would have apologized and the paid reparations to the families of the hijackers and then forced Israel to free more terrorists from their jail cells just like Bill Clinton did before him. (This is how Mohamed Otta (sp?) was able to have the freedom to plan the murder of 3000 innocent men and women.)

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Nothing to do with 911?? Does Salmon Pac mean anything to you. Probably not. It's the training site where Iraqi goverment helped train terrorists
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Y'know what,...we should have taken him out in the early 90's.
Ok, gents, I have been quiet here for fear of being blasted again, and this is terribly offtopic - but now in view of all the arguments "Anti anything not Republican American", please let me add my opinion by way of counterweight. Take it as opinion as valid as yours :)

I was IN Iraq in the 80's (Iran/Iraq war). And Saddam ruled with an iron fist then too. And he was as bad as he was in the 90's or 00's. And my drinking buddies were US military advisers, who were there to train Saddam's men in the use of modern American weapons. Yes, he was a tyrant (and everyone knew this), but the US kept him in power.

Saddam a bully? Yes (an American sponsored one). But Saddam helping Osama? No way. Osama is an Islamic conservative; Saddam a secular socialist bully. They are archenemies. No way would they support each other. Saddam was afraid of Islamic fundamentalists.

Another point: Mr Bush is not the leader of the free world; he is most certainly not my leader. He is the leader of the United States. I believe it is this kind of "we are the leader" talk that antagonises so much of the world.

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Another point: Mr Bush is not the leader of the free world; he is most certainly not my leader. He is the leader of the United States. I believe it is this kind of "we are the leader" talk that antagonises so much of the world.

OK end of opinion.

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I guess you could say that this is or was more of a ceremonial title from back in the cold war days, when at anytime the superpowers (US or the Soviet Union) could have wiped out the world and most western countries followed the US' lead. I don't think it applies anymore.

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Osama an Islamic conservative? I think I disagree. He's using the Koran and Islam in general as the basis of his attacks on the United States.
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RE: OT Check out what our BOYZ are doing in Afghanistan! UNREAL!

Hi all

Thanks for not falling all over me!

I mean "Islamic conservative" in the sense of "one who has a conservative vision of Islamic rule", meaning everything is run by Mullahs, everyone covers up, women do not work or drive and must be veiled, sharia (Islamic law), and so on. Plus of course he (and I mean Osama) is a hateful extremist idiot who indeed uses religion to drive his essentially political agenda - what's new.

OK, so now we've all had our say, perhaps let's go back to enjoying MB light trucks. Bet Osama wishes he had one!




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mwillems,

I wasn't, or didn't mean to imply that the US should have every nation jackboot high-stepping behind our every whim. But it is pretty clear that the US is the most powerful nation in the world, with resources, millitary power and technology unequaled by any other nation.

Maybe the title is inappropriate for the modern day. However, I still contend that world envy and resentment of the US economy and freedoms drives many of the less developed nations toward hatred of the US and to their voicing of their iopinion that the US is the great Satan.

Thew US supports financially and with millitary many nations who openly hate us, because we realize that without out support, much of the population of these countries would suffer unjustly for the actions of their ego-maniacal political leaders.

Now I have many problems with policies of the current US administration, mostly on the domestic front. But as far as the efforts in Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, etc... I will not waver from my support.

As for Saddamm in the 80's, our support of his regime for political purposes was totally wrong. But that support was given for was was viewed as the right thing to do at the time and the make an effort to defeat a greater evil.

We have had wars against Japan, Germany, even England and France. Relationships change over history. So our relationship with Iraq in the 80's has little bearing on why things are the way they are now. IMO.

As far as this thread being off topic,...it's fine with me and the reason why it is moved to the OT forum.


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