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I am ready for Spa

The summer break is almost done and we break the drought with the monster track of Spa.

I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve.
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If Hamilton has penalties imposed, get ready for some real racing!

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Lewis has only 3 fairly used engines left, so he is looking at a number of 20 place grid penalties for the remainder of the season.
+ 1 that it should make for good racing.

According to Jo Saward, Verstappen is responsible for renewed interest by Dutch fans. Over 70000 3-day tickets have already been sold for Spa, and there is even talk about bringing the Dutch Grand Prix back. Unfortunately Zandvoort, the traditional home of the Dutch GP, may be too expensive to bring up to F1 specs, so if it happens at all it will likely be Assen.
It would be a bit sad, as I have known Zandvoort and the track since my teens, always liked the place and still have some good friends there.
Honorable mention, a number of quite good fish & chips places, just get used to mayo instead of ketchup

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The power of a driver

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« A near-miss in Pocono
The power of a driver
August 23, 2016 by Joe Saward
André Maes, the long time promoter of the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa, has told the national newspaper La Dernière Heure that the event has already sold 70,000 three-day tickets, something that he has not seen since the glory days of Michael Schumacher back in 2001 and 2002, when legions of German fans would stream across the border to Spa, following their hero, who had huge support in the region around Kerpen, the town where he grew up. This means that with sales in the days leading up to the race, plus all the other people associated with the event, there are likely to be in the region of 85,000 people brought to the region for the race. This will delight the regional government of Wallonia which has to support the event and cover its losses each year. It remains to be seen whether the event will actually make a profit, but that is still a possibility.

The reason for the hike in ticket sales is very clear: Max Verstappen. The recent German Grand Prix saw large numbers of Dutch fans in the grandstands at Hockenheim, having driven the 250 or so miles from their homeland to watch their hero in action. Spa is much closer to the Netherlands, the nearest point to Spa being only around 45 miles from Spa, meaning that some of the visitors will be able to return home each day. Many others will camp at the circuit, which is probably the best option for fans as there is a fairly limited supply of hotels in the immediate vicinity of the circuit, beyond the ones popular with F1 people in Spa, Malmédy and Stavelot. The organisers at Spa expect that there will be around 20,000 Dutch fans in the crowd this year and says that all the grandstands have been sold out and only general admission tickets remain. Spa is also a popular venue for British fans, who drive across from the UK for the event, which is held on a Bank Holiday weekend in the UK, which means that they have Monday to return home.



Verstappen’s rise has led to interest in reviving the Dutch Grand Prix, which has not been held since 1985, but was a regular fixture on the F1 calendar for more than 30 years. It is clear that there are problems hosting such a big event at Zandvoort, the traditional home of the race, located in the sand dunes next to the North Sea, near Haarlem. The track would need considerable work and vehicular access would need to be restricted. Zandvoort is well-served by trains from Haarlem and Amsterdam, the latter being only half an hour away. However, the big problem is to find a way to raise the fees required to pay for such an event, with the circuit admitting that it cannot do much without government aid. The government has been pushing austerity measures in recent years, in an effort to improve public finances but for the last 18 months the economy has been growing as confidence returns. One alternative that has been put forward is to host a Grand Prix at the TT Circuit Assen, in the north of the country. The track, a shortened permanent version of a celebrated motorcycle road race circuit, hosts the Dutch round of the MotoGP series and has a contract to continue to do so until 2026. The track would need some modification for F1 but it would cost a great deal less than trying to revive Zandvoort. The Assen organisers say that they are interested if financial arrangements can be put in place.

The Belgian GP at Spa will,incidentally, have increased security with traffic and pedestrians no longer mixing in the area around La Source, as a precaution following the Nice attack in July. There will also be more bag inspections.

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Lewis has only 3 fairly used engines left, so he is looking at a number of 20 place grid penalties for the remainder of the season.
+ 1 that it should make for good racing.

According to Jo Saward, Verstappen is responsible for renewed interest by Dutch fans. Over 70000 3-day tickets have already been sold for Spa, and there is even talk about bringing the Dutch Grand Prix back. Unfortunately Zandvoort, the traditional home of the Dutch GP, may be too expensive to bring up to F1 specs, so if it happens at all it will likely be Assen.
It would be a bit sad, as I have known Zandvoort and the track since my teens, always liked the place and still have some good friends there.
Honorable mention, a number of quite good fish & chips places, just get used to mayo instead of ketchup
I thought an engine was a 10 grid spot penalty. However you are correct. Either way he is going to be passing a lot of cars if he is starting from 11th if he gets a the pole during qualifying.
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F1 Belgian GP: Hamilton Spa engine penalty officially confirmed

F1 News - F1 Belgian GP: Hamilton Spa engine penalty officially confirmed

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Analysing how grid penalties could affect the championship battle

Lewis Hamilton's 2016 engine plight: Are grid penalties heading his way? | F1 News

Lewis Hamilton may have built up a 19-point lead over Nico Rosberg, but could the ramifications of the reliability problems which left him behind earlier in the season come back to bite over the second half of 2016?

How close is Lewis to an engine penalty?
Hamilton has reached the penalty-free limit for two of the six power-unit elements.

F1's hybrid power units are made up of the internal combustion engine (ICE), turbocharger, MGU-H, MGU-K, energy store and control electronics - and each driver is free to use five of each during the season without penalty.

But as a hangover of reliability problems on his car at 2016's early flyaway rounds, and a power unit change after glitches at the European GP, a fifth turbocharger and fifth MGU-H were fitted onto Hamilton's car in Austria. One more of either component will trigger a grid penalty.

The widely-used, jargon-busting shorthand has been to say Hamilton is up to five 'engines'. However, while easier to explain, that is not strictly true as he has used only three ICEs - the same as Rosberg.

Hamilton and Rosberg's engine usage

Power unit element ICE Turbo MGU-H MGU-K Energy store Control electronics
Lewis Hamilton 3 5 5 3 4 4
Nico Rosberg 3 3 3 2 2 2
What are the possible penalties?
F1's engine penalty rules have regularly bewildered and befuddled over the past two years, but here is what happens when a driver uses six or more of any one engine element:

A 10-place grid penalty is applied when any sixth element is first used by a driver
A five-place penalty is then imposed the first time a remaining sixth element is used
The same rules applies when a driver receives seventh, eighth, elements and so on
Is a Hamilton penalty now inevitable?
The world champion has already braced himself for starting at least one race towards the back of the field later in the season. After his Silverstone victory, he told Sky F1: "I've obviously got this one engine and I'm going to try and make it last as long as it can.

"Then start at back at one of the races with the penalty, probably after the [summer break], but hopefully then be able to see through the rest of the races with that engine."

"We were trying to make it on four [power units], now it's clearly making it on five. It looks like we might have a penalty with him, but we don't know," Wolff said. "We need to see how the next two races pan out and then decide after or during the shutdown."

What penalty would he take?
Hamilton would take a 15-place grid penalty were a sixth MGU-H and turbocharger to be installed onto his Mercedes for the same race weekend.

However, one sixth element in isolation would only result in a 10-place demotion.

Mercedes do have the option of reusing previously-used elements from their pool of five were it practical, but given two MGU-Hs failed on Hamilton's car in China and Russia and a new design was subsequently introduced for Spain, such a plan may be more difficult.

Hamilton himself has suggested Mercedes could unlock additional engine elements on the same weekend they take a penalty in order to widen their pool of fresh parts for the remainder of the season. While such a tactic would definitely result in the world champion starting one race from the back, there are no longer carry-over penalties if a full grid drop cannot be applied.


Where will he take his penalties?
Mercedes want Hamilton to take his penalties at one of the next two races in Belgium or Italy, with a Monza grid drop more likely.

The inevitable risks of starting in the middle of the grid are harder to avoid, however. Monza, for example, features one of the narrowest runs to Turn One with the chicane routinely the scene of first-corner collisions.

Nonetheless, starting 16th or 17th at Monza would theoretically be easier for Hamilton to recover from than the same starting position on Singapore's far slower street circuit later that month.

Where does Rosberg stand?
The championship leader has not used more than three of any one engine element so far.

However, any fresh reliability problems for Mercedes means the prospect of Rosberg taking a grid penalty later in the season cannot be ruled out either.

And what about reprimands?
The other concern for Hamilton is he is only one more stewards' reprimand away from a separate 10-place grid penalty.

Drivers are dropped 10 places at a race if they reach three reprimands during a season, provided two of the sanctions have been for driving offences.

Both of Hamilton's 2016 sanctions fall into that category. He picked up his first reprimand at April's Bahrain GP for reversing in the pit lane after qualifying, with his second imposed two races later in Russia for not rejoining the track in the correct manner.

2016 driver reprimands

Lewis Hamilton 2
Carlos Sainz 2
Marcus Ericsson 1
Max Verstappen 1
Nico Rosberg 1
Rio Haryanto 1
Pascal Wehrlein 1
Valtteri Bottas 1

Rosberg is on one reprimand, picked up for driving with a damaged car on the final lap of the Austrian GP after his collision with Hamilton.

So, in a nutshell?
Hamilton is almost certain to take one grid penalty over the second half of the season - at least 10 places and probably 15 if Mercedes introduce fresh sixth elements together.

However, if Mercedes' attempts to manage their engine usage from there are successful, Hamilton may be able to avoid any further penalty-hit grands prix.

In a title battle that has featured numerous twists and turns already, little can be second guessed.

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What happened to the 20 spot penalty you posted?

I have not been able to take the time to check the FIA rules. Is it 10 or 20 spots on the grid?
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Just read your entire post.

It is 10 spots. Lewis and the MB power may be the only driver/team combo that can pull of another driver title. Maybe Nico's engines will start to blow up as we finish the season.
If so then who knows? That is why we watch them race on Sundays.
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Just read your entire post.

It is 10 spots. Lewis and the MB power may be the only driver/team combo that can pull of another driver title. Maybe Nico's engines will start to blow up as we finish the season.
If so then who knows? That is why we watch them race on Sundays.
10 spots for engine, 5 for turbo, gearbox ?
The masters of obfuscation were busy

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