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F1 Austrian Grand Prix: Qualifying results

F1 Austrian Grand Prix: Qualifying results (provisional grid)


Full qualifying results for round 9 of the 2016 Formula 1 World Championship (F1), the Austrian Grand Prix at the Red Bull Ring.

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 07.922s
2. Nico Rosberg GER Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 08.465s*
3. Nico Hulkenberg GER Force India-Mercedes 1m 09.285s
4. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 09.781s*
5. Jenson Button GBR McLaren-Honda 1m 09.900s
6. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 09.901s
7. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull-TAG Heuer 1m 09.980s
8. Valtteri Bottas FIN Williams-Mercedes 1m 10.440s
9. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull-TAG Heuer 1m 11.153s
10. Felipe Massa BRZ Williams-Mercedes 1m 11.977s

11. Esteban Gutierrez MEX Haas-Ferrari 1m 07.578s
12. Pascal Wehrlein GER Manor-Mercedes 1m 07.700s
13. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 07.850s
14. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren-Honda 1m 08.154s
15. Carlos Sainz Jr ESP Toro Rosso-Ferrari no time Q2
16. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes no time Q2

17. Kevin Magnussen DEN Renault-Renault 1m 07.941s
18. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault-Renault 1m 07.965s
19. Rio Haryanto INA Manor-Mercedes 1m 08.026s
20. Daniil Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 08.409s
21. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber-Ferrari 1m 08.418s
22. Felipe Nasr BRA Sauber-Ferrari 1m 08.446s

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* denotes driver due to take 5-place grid penalty (gearbox change)

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Actual Grid after penalties applied

Sunday's F1 race gets underway at 8 a.m. ET.
After penalties, here's how the F1 field will actually grid up | FOX Sports


By Samuel Reiman @samuel reiman
Jul 2, 2016 at 3:13p ET
Sometimes we have to be in careful in F1 differentiating between “qualifying results” and “starting grid.”

Unfortunately, this weekend is no exception.

Sebastian Vettel and Nico Rosberg qualified in fourth and second positions respectively. While they would both drop back five spots due to gearbox changes, Vettel’s goes into effect first, leaving an open grid slot for when Rosberg drops back from second to seventh, meaning Rosberg actually gets to start sixth.

Nico Hulkenberg survives investigation, will start second for F1 race


Meanwhile, Felipe Nasr, Jolyon Palmer and Rio Haryanto all have three-place grid penalties for speeding under the yellow flag, while Nico Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen got off with a slap on the wrist and will get to start in second and 17th positions respectively.

Therefore, if there aren’t any more changes overnight (big if) the starting order will be:

Unofficial starting grid:

1. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes
2. Nico Hulkenberg - Force India
3. Jenson Button - McLaren
4. Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
5. Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull
6. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes
7. Valtteri Bottas - Williams
8. Max Verstappen - Red Bull
9. Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari
10. Felipe Massa - Williams
11. Esteban Gutierrez - Haas
12. Pascal Wehrlein - Manor
13. Romain Grosjean - Haas
14. Fernando Alonso - McLaren
15. Carlos Sainz - Toro Rosso
16. Sergio Perez - Force India
17. Kevin Magnussen - Renault
18. Daniil Kvyat - Toro Rosso
19. Marcus Ericsson - Sauber
20. Jolyon Palmer - Renault
21. Rio Haryanto - Manor
22. Felipe Nasr - Sauber
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I am just speculating, but I have a feeling some of the drivers are going to have to race the track differently after 4 cars had catastrophic rear suspension failures.

The MB team looked at the suspension load data and it was not abnormally high. They did however find a never before seen harmonic frequency that might be the cause of the failure Nico had. They really need
research it much further.

After quilification Toto, some other team managers and Charlie Whiting examined the track following qualifying the FIA has decide no changes will be made to the curbing and the big yellow "sausage bumps" will remain.

I hope no driver has another rear suspension failure. However something tells me we will see at least a couple.

MB was smart enough to at least reinforce theirs with a couple of carbon wraps. Did it add enough strength to endure the race? We will know very soon. No other team can do this as the cars are in parc ferme. MB did it before qualification and the modification was approved by Whiting.
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One of the drivers said you have to treat the curbs like you would walls.
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Getting a bit fed up with Nico's antics when he is leading. I can almost understand Spain as Lewis was a bit aggressive but today falls squarely on Nico, even if he was having brake issues he made no attempt to turn and saying Lewis turned into him is just stupid. Watching replays you clearly see Lewis turned in right at the outside white line. WTF Nico??? It's one thing to push a guy wide but making no attempt to do so is just poor racing IMO.


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In a post race interview with Will Buxton Nico said his brakes were overheating. He then said he was on the inside and it was his corner. Buxton asks Nico how much of the collision was the brakes along with not wanting to be passed by Lewis? Nico admitted it was about half and half. Wow.....he actually admitted that he tried to get away with it. I think the only problem with Nico's brakes is that he did not use them well in that corner and it cost him serious points.

Going back to Nico thinking it was his corner. Back in the 70s Mario Andretti passed James Hunt on the outside at the GP in Holland and Hunt was livid. Mario basically said since when is passing on the outside not done in F1? At least Hunt did try to punt Andretti out of the race.
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Rosberg had “brake-by-wire failure” on the last lap

Rosberg had "brake-by-wire failure" on the last lap · F1 Fanatic

The stewards issued a 10 second penalty to Rosberg post race, which didn't affect his 4th place finish.

Sky had a good slow motion analysis
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Someone had posted it on youtube, but I can't find it again. Perhaps it was taken down.
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I did find out both items later last night.

Toto did confirm the brake failure. However he said he was not allowed to tell Nico which makes no sense. I know coaching is not allowed from the team over the radio, but I would think brakes would be a safety issue to prevent harm to Nico and other drivers.

I think that might be the first time a I saw a ten second penalty for failing to retire a damaged car.

I like Nico and Lewis, but there issues like in Spain have to stop. In this case at Austria I am backing off Nico a little because these cars are so dependent on harvesting from the rear drive which as we know acts like a brake.
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"failing to retire a damaged car" ???? Tell this to Dan Gurney - he pushed it across the finish line..
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