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Apparently the Melbourne accident resulted in a broken rib and a small puncture of one lung. Puncture is ok, but rib will take a bit more time to heal.
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King Bernie and Prince Jean seem to be going down a rabbit hole.
I may not even watch the race if qualifying is set this way again. It skews the race outcome and is destroying the sport.


Bernie Ecclestone wants Formula 1 to have grids decided by a ballot, or introduce a 'time ballast' system, if elimination qualifying gets dumped after the Bahrain Grand Prix.

Despite a disastrous debut for the new knock-out format in Australia, a lack of unanimity about what changes should be made meant the system has been kept in place for this weekend.

F1 teams are due to meet with Ecclestone and FIA president Jean Todt ahead of the Bahrain race on Sunday to decide what to do next.

But speaking in the Sakhir paddock on Friday, Ecclestone said he had his sights set on two options: one being a random order and the other which guaranteed things being mixed up.

When asked by Motorsport.com about what qualifying system he wanted, he said: "A couple of ideas – either a ballot, which they [the teams] don't like, which is not very sophisticated.

"Or I suggest leave qualifying exactly as it is and don't touch it and then add a time on. So if somebody is on pole, you can take the results of the previous race or the championship, and add two or three seconds or whatever the amount is, to the time of the qualifying.

"You will find maybe the guy who is on pole would be 10th on the grid or eighth, and that will go all the way down."
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Ecclestone claimed that proof his 'time ballast' system would deliver exciting races came in Australia, when Lewis Hamilton fought back from a troubled first lap to finish second.

"He was sixth on the first lap and came through the field, and that is what would happen in every race," he explained.

"So all the racing would be like that – except there would be two or three of them coming through the field."
Unanimity issue

Despite concerns that Q3 will be as short of action in Bahrain as it was in Australia, Ecclestone thinks there is a chance it could still deliver some thrills.

Which is why he is unsure about what direction F1 will go next after the early season qualifying controversies.

"I didn't like it either, but we will have to see," he said. "All these things, when you change these things they are all prototypes until you have actually done it you don't know. But you can have opinions. It wasn't my idea in the first place. So we will wait and see."

He added: "You know why it was put together? The idea was hoping upon hope that one or two of the hot shoes would get knocked out in Q1 or Q2. That was the whole idea. And if tomorrow it is raining, maybe that will happen."

Ecclestone is also aware that the need for unanimity may make it hard for F1 to agree on what happens next.

"If we can get everybody to agree to change whatever, we can change."

But when asked about the problem of teams being motivated by self interest, he said: "Exactly. That is the problem with a lot of things. Two teams care about themselves. Not everybody."

Pushed on how to get rid of the bottle neck that the governance structure had imposed on F1, he said: "What normally happens is that there is a coup and they take over…."

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Enough to make this for 50+ years F1 fan to turn away in disgust

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How did F1 end up in this mess?
The current political and legislative structure of F1 was created by Ecclestone a few years ago with the intention of giving himself more power. That's what the controversial strategy group is all about.

Made up of Ecclestone, Todt and the six leading teams, the votes are disproportionately in Ecclestone's favour. He and Todt get six each and the teams six between them. A majority is needed to pass motions. So, if Todt and Ecclestone agree on something, the teams are powerless.

But Ecclestone has been outflanked. First of all, he and Todt do not like each other, so find it hard to reach agreement.

The next stage in the legislative process is the F1 Commission. All teams are on that, along with Ecclestone, the FIA and representatives of circuits, sponsors and tyre supplier.

There, 18 votes out of 26 are needed to pass a resolution, and Mercedes and Ferrari - who together supply eight of the 11 teams with engines - have started working together to block Ecclestone. They have been joined by Renault, who supply a further two teams.

If that fails, Ferrari have a contractual right of veto over any rule change they deem to be contrary to their interests.

His ability to control and influence diminished, Ecclestone has for some time been railing against the structure he created, saying F1's governance is broken.

When he makes this point, Ecclestone's agenda is clear. But in the context of the changes he has pushed for in recent times, few in F1 would view granting him more power in a reformed structure as the best solution.
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FIA Friday press conference - Bahrain

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TEAM REPRESENTATIVES – Franz Tost (Toro Rosso), Dave Ryan (Manor Racing), Robert Fernley (Force India), Claire Williams (Williams)
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F1 Bahrain GP: Ecclestone dismisses drivers as having no voice

F1 Bahrain GP: Ecclestone dismisses drivers as having no voice
Bernie Ecclestone says it is not worth the drivers grouping together to voice their concerns of the way Formula 1 is run as they 'have no strength' and 'no voice'.

Speaking publically for the first time about the Grand Prix Drivers' Association letter that criticised the decision-making processes in F1 and aired concerns about the direction the sport is heading in, though Ecclestone initially signalled sympathy in the immediate aftermath, he took the opportunity at the Bahrain Grand Prix to stand his ground and dismiss their influence.

Say there is no use in the drivers putting on a 'show of strength' because they don't have any, when Ecclestone was asked whether he considered some of them 'windbags', he agreed that some of them were.

"They can say what they like can't they? They can't do anything," Ecclestone told Reuters. "They can give an opinion. Everyone has got an opinion. Really their discussions are with their team and the team has got a voice. They are only saying what the teams have told them to say."

The letter from the GPDA – presided over by ex-F1 driver Alex Wurz – has been viewed as the drivers' first tentative steps into increasing their influence in the way certain changes to the sport at discussed and implemented, such as qualifying, and have also called for an overhaul of the way the decisions are made.

Though drivers sought to play down the extremity of this by suggesting their aim is to 'help' rather than go on the offensive and demand reform, Ecclestone's strong rebuttal is unlikely to smooth the increasing friction between the F1 powers, the teams and the drivers.

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F1 Bahrain GP: Free practice 3 results

Sebastian Vettel heads Ferrari 1-2 to end Nico Rosberg's stranglehold on F1 practice at Bahrain Grand Prix.


1. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 31.683s
2. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 31.723s
3. Nico Rosberg GER Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 32.104s
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 32.160s
5. Valtteri Bottas FIN Williams-Mercedes 1m 32.675s
6. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 33.082s
7. Daniil Kvyat RUS Red Bull-TAG Heuer 1m 33.113s
8. Esteban Gutierrez MEX Haas-Ferrari 1m 33.337s
9. Felipe Massa BRZ Williams-Mercedes 1m 33.363s
10 Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull-TAG Heuer 1m 33.519s
11. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber-Ferrari 1m 33.569s
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN Renault-Renault 1m 33.617s
13. Jenson Button GBR McLaren-Honda 1m 33.704s
14. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 33.744s
15. Max Verstappen NED Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 33.778s
16. Carlos Sainz Jr ESP Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 34.003s
17. Felipe Nasr BRZ Sauber-Ferrari 1m 34.013s
18. Nico Hulkenberg GER Force India-Mercedes 1m 34.128s
19. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 34.281s
20. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault-Renault 1m 34.424s
21. Rio Haryanto INA MRT-Mercedes 1m 35.546s
22. Pascal Wehrlein GER MRT-Mercedes 1m 35.724s

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Again qualifying was not very exciting, slightly better than last week but still kind of boring. I would much rather see 6-8 cars finish flying laps after the clock has struck 0:00 in Q3 and wonder if someone just put it all together on their last attempt. For example I think both Massa and Bottas could have done better but we weren't able to see them try due to them being eliminated because of time after doing only on qualifying lap. Whats the point of have less cars on track? Also finishing 8th or 9th is now a handicap because you lose a set of tires. This format is just stupid. Grosjean was happier than Hulkenburg and will probably benefit being slower during qualifying come race day.

The idea to penalize drivers for their previous results is just stupid, what is this wrestling where you fabricate positioning/results? It's quite easy to make the sport better, lift some of these stupid restrictions, let the damn teams make a front wing that will let cars follow close behind without losing all downforce and it will be a ton better. The 2017 rule changes seem to keep the current front wing restrictions which is simply stupid IMO. You can have equally matched cars where driver skills would allow overtaking but they can't follow close for more than a lap or two without destroying their tires because of the front wing.

Also go back to the old format. It's simple, easy to follow and exciting. I heard a comment today saying even if the time runs out on driver X he should still be allowed to finish the flying lap. This just adds more confusion, I want to sit and watch whomever is fastest goes on, not feel like I am doing advanced calculus trying to figure out if the guy that time just ran out on is on a flier and then wonder what happens if he does move up. Does the guy he passed automatically become eliminated or does he have a chance to respond if he is on a flier blah blah blah, too much poo to understand, and no I don't want my screen looking like someone is writing code with different graphics and icons denoting who is on a flier and if driver x has the ability to fight back has another icon. Ugh.



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Ted's Qualifying Notebook. Bahrain GP 2016




F1 Bahrain GP: Qualifying results 2 April 2016
Lewis Hamilton pulls pole number 51 out under extreme pressure to head a qualifying 1-2 for Mercedes in Bahrain.

1. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 29.493s
2. Nico Rosberg GER Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 29.570s
3. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 30.012s
4. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 30.244s
5. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull-TAG Heuer 1m 30.854s
6. Valtteri Bottas FIN Williams-Mercedes 1m 31.153s
7. Felipe Massa BRZ Williams-Mercedes 1m 31.155s
8. Nico Hulkenberg GER Force India-Mercedes 1m 31.620s

9. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 31.756s
10. Max Verstappen NED Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 31.772s
11. Carlos Sainz Jr ESP Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 31.816s
12. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 31,934s
13. Esteban Gutierrez MEX Haas-Ferrari 1m 31.945s
14. Jenson Button GBR McLaren-Honda 1m 31.998s
15. Daniil Kvyat RUS Red Bull-TAG Heuer 1m 32.241s

16. Pascal Wehrlein GER MRT-Mercedes 1m 32.806s
17. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber-Ferrari 1m 32.840s
18. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 32.911s
19. Kevin Magnussen DEN Renault-Renault 1m 33.181s*
20. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault-Renault 1m 33.438s
21. Rio Haryanto INA MRT-Mercedes 1m 34.190s
22. Felipe Nasr BRZ Sauber-Ferrari 1m 34.388s
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Lewis did put in an amazing final lap.
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