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Radical changes heading F1's way with 1000hp engines

Radical changes heading F1's way with 1000hp engines

7 January 2015 by Ryan Wood | M
Formula 1 could look very different in 2016 if the sport can agree on new regulations governing downforce, fuel, tyres and engines.
A meeting was held this week in Geneva involving the FIA, F1's engine manufacturers and team representatives. On the agenda was ways to reverse the declining interest in the sport by making the cars harder to drive.
The key solution, and one put forward by F1's Strategy Group and Power Unit Working Group (PUWG), is to increase horsepower from the present 800hp to more than 1000hp.
There is a worry it could result in escalated costs, but the PUWG believes the 1000hp target can be met by simply modifying the current hybrid-V6 engines, rather than introducing a completely new engine formula.
Slight modifications, higher revs, an increased fuel flow rate and a higher fuel allowance, would be enough to reach the horsepower target and it could also help to address the noise issue which plagued the sport during the first few races of 2014.
The FIA believes this would make the cars harder to drive and thus increase the spectacle. Meanwhile, further changes to the way the cars look are being discussed.
The FIA wants radical looking cars to return with fewer aerodynamic restrictions allowing for greater downforce, larger rear tyres and an overall more aggressive look with 2016 or 2017 the likely date for the changes to be implemented.
Also discussed was ways to make the power units cheaper with the idea of standardised parts put forward, particularly the energy-recovery system (ERS
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Good
I was kind of disappointed with the live sound this year
Didn't even need hearing protection
The old engines were borderline painful without it lol

The current engines are good for 15000 rpm
They only use 11000 or so
give them more fuel mass and rate, and a little boost and the 1000 is easily doable
Power = torque x w ( w = 2 Pi n, n = rev/sec)
So power is proportional to engine speed as long as torque can be maintained by air and fuel flow

A bigger wheel so bigger brakes might help too

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I remember the old turbo era with cars having 1,300 - 1,400 hp in quali trim?
Ground effect cars were pretty interesting too.
Actually saw the original chaparral on the old Nuerburgring while still in short pants.
Driven by Jim Hall, the guy who probably started the development of aerodynamic wings and ground effect cars.
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I remember the old turbo era with cars having 1,300 - 1,400 hp in quali trim.
Ground effects I remember too.
Used BMW 2002 blocks sleeved down to 1.5 liter
Pee'ed on to 'acid etch' stress relieve lol
Draw straws to see who has to dyno it
Fuel was from ww2 fighter plane research
They also made 500+ lb ft of twist


These were only 1.5 liter, 4 cylinder road going BMW engines remember, and if you believe the reports from Bavarian engineers at the time, some of these blocks were apparently being pulled straight out of road cars with over 100,000 kays on the clock. Folklore tells us M10 engine blocks were also reportedly weathered in the rain and urinated on by mechanics prior to becoming 1500 HP banshees.

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After totaling two 356, and a little interval I got a silver 1600ti O2 series, 5 speed, limited slip, adjustable Koni's, stiffer springs, and Scheel racing seat. The nearby Porsche head mechanic did some head work, valves, different ratio springs, polished intakes, and did some other engine work. That was a fun car. Totaled after 2 years and followed by a 2002ti, that was followed by a E3 saloon 2.5.
E9 Schnitzer CSL, I totaled my yellow one in Germany, and the green one pictured is rotting away in Tehran. That's the earlier stripped down alu doors and hoods version with plexiglas rear windows, no carpets, no power steering, front roll down windows, plastic rear bumper, roll cage, scheel seats, 5 speed ZF dog leg with straight cut teeth (noisy but stronger) ZF 75% lock diff, ZF steering box, adjustable koni, the lot. No radio, its too noisy inside (in a good way). You can recognize CSL by the hood fasteners in front of windshield.
306 Schrick cam, mahle pistons, titanium piston rods, different head valves, springs etc, balanced & hardened crank, headers & more.
I once came out of a supermarket on Takhte Jamshid, and there was a white Alpina CSL.
Ours were the only 2 CSL in the Country. Pic was taken on Chalus road at Karaj dam. One of Iran's most dangerous roads from Tehran through the mountains to the Caspian sea.
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That is a really nice car

In the early 80's I had a late model 2002
Blue printed & balanced
Twin su's
Stahl header
ANSA exhaust
Bosch mech advance 008 dist
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Suspension technique koni set-up
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Scheel seats and everything recovered in matching fabric

Car was a blast
I'll try and dig up a pic
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A buddy here has the rare 2002 turbo in factory colors.

02's were fairly benign to drive. Too fast in a bend you could turn in more to rub off speed.
Still I landed in in the sand dunes after carrying too much speed into Zandvoort's notorious Tarzan's paw.
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There is a road south of Anchorage AK that follows the inlet
The 2002 devoured it
A lot of high speed sweepers
Lightly travelled
A beautiful drive
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