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The Mercedes war is just beginning, but Rosberg won this battle

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Luke Smith May 26, 2014, 10:00 AM EDT
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It’s been a funny few days in Formula 1. On the grandest of stages – the Monaco Grand Prix – Mercedes appeared to be on the brink of civil war as Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg locked horns around the streets of the principality.

After spending much of the weekend sending warning shots to Rosberg in the media, Hamilton came out of the race weekend as the loser. Second place is by no means bad, but the British driver was on the cusp of five straight wins, which – according to history – would have made him a certainty for the title.

Instead, for all of the comments and digs at Rosberg, the German driver had the last laugh on the track on Sunday by winning the Monaco Grand Prix and re-gaining the lead of the drivers’ championship. Frankly, it seemed like Hamilton just had a bee in his bonnet.

Traditionally, Rosberg always plays a bit of soccer before each session; it’s his way to relax. The likes of Daniel Ricciardo and Sebastian Vettel listen to music. Kimi Raikkonen likes to have a sleep! You can often find Nico doing keepy-uppies with the ball at the back of the garage just minutes before jumping in the car. However, Hamilton complained to the team about this on Saturday before qualifying, claiming that the noise of him kicking the ball against the wall was disturbing him.

They’ve been teammates for 25 races – yet only now is Nico’s pre-race ritual annoying Lewis? Very strange.

After the race, both drivers were asked whether they’re still friends. Speaking to Sky, Rosberg remained cheerful about their partnership at Mercedes.

“We’ve always been friends, we always will be friends,” he said. “But friends is a big word. What exactly is friends? We have a good relationship and work well together.”

However, Lewis made himself very clear: “We are not friends. We are colleagues.”

Just as Fernando Alonso grew restless at McLaren when Hamilton started to challenge him, are the same cracks appearing in Lewis Hamilton?

Across the course of the week, Rosberg has remained a class act, saying the right things and doing his talking on track. Hamilton, on the other hand, has behaved a spoiled child who didn’t get his way. From Thursday to Sunday, there were nothing but digs at Nico. He had a problem with his upbringing, his innocent mistake in qualifying, and the strategic call on Sunday made by the team.

Lewis said earlier this week that his tough upbringing has made him hungrier than Nico. However, he’s now a multi-millionaire global superstar with a private jet, a dream lifestyle and even two dogs he brings to the races. Can we not argue that he is in up in the clouds, believing that everyone is conspiring against him and he can do no wrong?

Final word on this goes to former McLaren mechanic Marc Priestley, who worked with Lewis at the team for three years:

“Lewis Hamilton left McLaren without many fans in the garage because of his attitude & arrogance. It won’t take long for the same to happen at Mercedes I’m afraid.”

Let’s see if they can patch things up before we arrive in Canada. Either way, this civil war at Mercedes is only just beginning.
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I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan but he is being a bit too whiny and unsportmanlike these last two races. In Spain he didn't even thank the crew or team and now in Monaco he complains how they should have brought him in a lap earlier. We don't know what was being said over the radio prior to the safety car being released but it seemed that Hamilton expects the team strategist to be physic and know when accidents will happen and safety cars deployed.

I didn't like his attitude on the podium either and hot congratulating Nico was childish. He didn't cheat to beat Lewis he beat him fair and square.

I'm quite sure if MB didn't have such a huge lead at the moment they would have already cracked the whip on Lewis.



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I have never really been a Hamilton fan, mostly because I have always been an Alonso fan. he has been shelling put the poop as long as he has been behind the wheel of a race car. If you look at the Wikipedia page on him you will be supprised at how many penalties he has had issued to him. All the comments hurled around is kind of off putting as well.

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After aiming darts towards Rosberg for a week (or more?), Rosberg never answered in kind. The best answer was winning the race.
It was a make or break performance for Rosberg imo. Had Hamilton won, Rosberg would probably have been marked as AMG Petronas number 2 driver.

I think Hamilton is the minutely more naturally gifted driver, but Rosberg the smarter and mentally stronger of the two.

According to a background report, Hamilton kept his safe at Rosbergs home, until last week...

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I was on the road all day yesterday, leaving the sunshine behind and heading back to Paris for a swift turnaround and today I’m at the airport bound for Canada. I do know it is week early but there is more to life than F1 and I’ll be doing some of that before the F1 clans gather again for the next round of the Hamilton-Rosberg slugging match. My money is still on Lewis, but Monaco showed that Nico is clever and/or devious and is not to be underestimated. I guess one should also remember that Lewis was pretty uncompromising when under attack from Nico in Bahrain, so each can feel that the other has gone to the limit and perhaps over it a little. It’s hard to condemn either without conclusive proof and my view is that we should watch and enjoy the fight. The car may be streets ahead of the opposition but the two drivers are closely matched, with different strengths. I hope that they can keep the fight civilised but clearly the gloves are now off. Lewis needs to control himself and not let Nico knock him off balance. Winning a title is all about consistency as well as speed…
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The Monaco Grand Prix has triggered plenty of debate after the controversial incident in qualifying where Lewis Hamilton was denied a shot at pole through the error on the last lap of his Mercedes team mate Nico Rosberg.

It meant that in the race, having lost the start to the German as well, Hamilton’s only shot at winning was to jump him in the pit stops.

However, a Safety Car during the pit stop window changed the game; after both drivers had made their stops on the same lap, Hamilton was heard to complain to his team about the strategy call.

So could he have won the race if things had been done differently?

Here with input from several leading strategists is our analysis – the UBS Race Strategy Report.


Pre-Race Considerations

As always at Monaco, the teams had less knowledge than they would like going into the Grand Prix, this time because of a wet FP2 session, so limited long runs.

However with the Pirelli tyres this year being harder than before, it was clear that the race was a one-stop, the question was how early could you pit and make it to the finish on your second set of tyres?

And conversely, for a counter strategy, how late could you leave it on the first set and make gains by stopping later? And what effect would a safety car have on the race?

In the end we got a safety car and a race of high attrition, with many leading cars eliminated. It was a day for staying out of trouble, as points were there for the taking, as Marussia’s Jules Bianchi proved.


Could Hamilton have beaten Rosberg on pit stop strategy?

Lewis Hamilton was not a happy man going into Sunday’s Monaco Grand Prix and he was even less happy after he was called in to pit on the same lap as race leader Rosberg, meaning that he had no chance to try something strategy wise to beat him.

He was heard to question the decision, also suggesting that at McLaren he would have been allowed to pre-empt the safety car and come in early after Adrian Sutil crashed heavily on lap 24.

The first car to pit was Jenson Button. Mclaren always brief the drivers that there is a “Safety Car window”, where they can pit at their discretion if they see an accident or “SC” boards, before the team see it and if they are in a late phase of the lap.

They were very clear on this and it’s something that other teams have been encouraged to try and copy. This is not a policy in place at Mercedes. This is what Hamilton was talking about when he referred to McLaren.

Mercedes run a clear policy of leading driver stop preference in races, something which Hamilton has benefitted from in the previous four races this year, which he has won.

Here, the situation was that Mercedes had a 1-2 and a margin of 12 seconds over the third car, Kimi Raikkonen. Hamilton was in Turn 13 when the TV cameras revealed that Sutil had crashed heavily, so there was time to call them in.

However there was no guarantee a Safety Car would be deployed, as later incidents like the Gutierrez shunt proved. This was an exercise in managing probabilities – it was 90% likely that a Safety Car would be used, but there was 0% risk to Mercedes of losing positions by by doing an extra lap and waiting to see if a Safety Car was deployed. This is because in that situation, all the cars are obliged to run at a set Safety Car speed, which is 140% of the normal lap time.


If Hamilton had pitted and there had been no Safety Car he would have been behind the Ferraris and could have been vulnerable to Ferrari deliberately leaving one of their cars out to block him while the other built a gap. Given that the “blocking” car would be Alonso, this is doubtful, but you never know.

Incidentally, Button didn’t gain any places by diving into the pits, because everyone went at the same speed once the “Safety Car Deployed” signs went out. It only works when someone does something wrong or unusual – in Australia Button gained two places with this trick because Alonso stacked up the cars behind him. Here there was nothing there for the taking.

But still, it can bring a gain and Hamilton will have remembered that he lost places to Vettel and Webber in this way under the Safety Car in Monaco last year, a painful memory so he felt it was worth a try.

The point is that, from the Mercedes’ point of view, there was no obvious gain for Hamilton in making a stop after Sutil crashed, but there were some risks. Mercedes has a single head of strategy on site and his job is to deliver a Mercedes 1-2 finish. However he has also been tasked with giving his drivers a chance to race.

And it is here that Hamilton’s real frustration lay, because there was a plan in place..

As Rosberg the leader had stop priority, the only way for Hamilton to beat him was to wait until Rosberg had stopped and then push like mad on the supersoft tyres for the next lap. At the same time, Rosberg would be on an out-lap with new soft tyres, which were quite hard and took a long time to warm up. This would have been Hamilton’s opportunity; to offset himself against Rosberg, then pit and hopefully emerge ahead of the German, if he had struggled with new tyre warm-up.

To pull it off he would have needed to have been more than 6/10ths of a second faster on old supersofts than Rosberg on new softs on that lap.

But because the Safety Car came out in a pit stop window, he never had the chance to try it.

So he was immensely frustrated – on top of his resentment at the manner in which he felt Rosberg had gained the advantage in qualifying – and this is what came out over the radio and after the race.


Counter Strategy helps Hulkenberg and Bianchi to strong points finishes

Two standout results in Monaco were the Force India of Nico Hulkenberg, going from 11th on the grid to 5th at the finish and Jules Bianchi going from 21st on the grid to 8th on the road, 9th after a 5 second penalty was applied. This gave Marussia a breakthrough first points finish.

Both did the same strategy: start on the soft tyres and then take the supersofts at the pit stop under the Safety Car. This called for them to do over 50 laps on a set of supersofts. Most teams had budgeted up to a maximum of 45 laps, but Force India has always been able to try these strategies because it can look after its tyres.

In Hulkenberg’s case this was a masterstroke, because on new supersofts he was able, at the restart after the Safety Car, to overtake Magnussen who was on the harder tyres and struggling to warm them up.

However the surprise for Force India was that tyres were dropping off badly in the closing stages, unlike Bianchi’s which still had good pace. Hulkenberg was however able to hold off Button to the flag.


Bianchi’s pace was something of a revelation and this result was well deserved. It was a shame that they drew an additional penalty for taking their original 5 second penalty during the Safety Car period, rather than just adding it on at the end. The Marussia was able to hold off Grosjean’s Lotus comfortably enough in the closing stages and his lap times were comparable to midfield cars.

Another driver who tried something different was Massa in the Williams. He did not pit when the Safety Car was deployed, at which point he was lying in 11th place. It was an unusual call and a roll of the dice really, perhaps hoping for a race stoppage or a track blockage to give him a gap to pit into. With everyone doing one stop there were few other obvious ways to gain.

With attrition and problems for other runners this meant that he was fifth in the second stint of the race, with a stop to take.

He took it on lap 45 and dropped back to 11th again. But with more attrition, he rose to 7th at the flag.
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This whole thing is a media beat-up. Hamilton's first Q3 lap was 6 hundredths behind Rosberg's. That difference ultimately cost him the race, assuming he wouldn't have copped dirt in his eye behind Nico if he was running in front.

I have little doubt that Lewis will come out on top this year barring misfortune like punctures or reliability issues.

Congrats go to Nico - he was good enough to outqualify Lewis and he drove a flawless race under pressure.
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Warwick explains Rosberg 'not guilty' decision

Warwick explains Rosberg 'not guilty' decision

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Former Formula 1 driver Derek Warwick has explained how he and his fellow race stewards came to the decision that Nico Rosberg hadn't intentionally made an error to stop team-mate Lewis Hamilton taking pole.
Despite claims Rosberg had purposefully ran off the circuit to bring out yellow flags - an incident interesting enough to warrant an investigation - Warwick is certain it was an honest mistake and that, after reviewing the various data, he made the right decision to take no action.
"We had all Mercedes's data, including Lewis's data to overlay on Nico's. We had the FIA data. We had onboard shots, overhead shots, circuit shots. We had throttle traces, braking traces, everything we needed to make, hopefully, the right decision," he told The Daily Mail.
"It was not black and white. It took a long time. We wanted to be sure and thorough. The driver is a massive component in what we end up deciding. So Nico was in the stewards' room for a long time with the team manager [Ron Meadows]. I wouldn't say I interrogated him; I interviewed him. I made sure I asked him all the right questions.
"I have been around a long time and seen people try to pull the wool over my eyes. Did I have doubts in my mind, of course I did. But he gave me the answers I needed. I know there are conspiracy theories but you will not find a more honest driver in grand prix racing than Nico. He said himself that he made a mistake, came in too fast, braked too late and locked up his rear tyres."
The incident has caused a rift at Mercedes between Rosberg and Hamilton, with the latter still believing it was done on purpose.
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