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Tire gate...it's getting interesting...

Rivals watch on as 'test-gate' arguments rage (Update) UPDATE Pirelli have argued that the FIA doesn't have the power to impose any form of disciplinary punishment against them in the Testgate affair during a robust defense of their position in their International Tribunal appearance.
Following a morning of fascinating submissions put forward by both the FIA and Mercedes in relation to the contentious three-day Barcelona test, F1's tire supplier took the stand in the afternoon to put across their side of the story.

All eyes had been on how Pirelli would approach the hearing and respond to their charges given they are a supplier, rather than an F1 competitor, and their lawyer Dominique Dumas immediately made clear that "we do not come under the jurisdiction or authority of the FIA".

Indeed, Dumas cited the FIA's 2009 'Crashgate' case involving former Renault team boss Flavio Briatore as evidence of how the FIA have no power to discipline a third party, Briatore having later had his ban overturned in the French civil courts prior to the governing body introducing licenses for team personnel.

During the morning session the FIA's lawyers had argued that although Pirelli's contract with them permitted up to 1000km of testing with any of the teams, the deal also stipulated that they are bound to the FIA's own Sporting Regulations as well, which forbid in-season testing with a current car.

However, as part of Pirelli's defense case, Dumas argued that their FIA contract contained no restrictions about what car can be used for the firm's permitted F1 tests.

Responding to Pirelli's submissions, the FIA's QC Mark Howard claimed the tire firm's statements "are confused and miss the point" with the governing body adamant that both the Italian supplier and Mercedes have breached the sporting regulations.

Reporting direct from outside the Tribunal, Sky Sports News' Craig Slater added: "They [the FIA] say that Pirelli's contract is subject to the Sporting Regulations and they can't be ignored, especially if they are involved with a current team. [According to the FIA], it is one thing for Pirelli to test tires, but quite another to involve an entrant - and if they do that, it is effectively an in-season test, which is banned.' Sky Sports



06/20/13 (GMM) Red Bull's Christian Horner made a surprise appearance in Paris on Thursday as the 'test-gate' hearing began.
But also at the FIA's Place de la Concorde headquarters were representatives of McLaren and Williams, as the governing body's lawyer clearly accused Mercedes of breaking the rules with its highly controversial Barcelona test last month.

"Any running on the track is deemed to be testing," the FIA's lawyer said.

"It is difficult to say that Mercedes gained no benefit," he added. zzzz

The FIA also alleged that Mercedes and Pirelli were "very odd" in how they went about seeking permission to test, having made "informal" calls and emails to Charlie Whiting and the governing body's legal department, but then going ahead with the test without obtaining clear answers.

Mercedes' lawyer hit back by arguing the Brackley based team did not actually break the rules, because the sporting regulations say only that a team may not 'undertake' a test.

"It is irrefutable it was a test undertaken by Pirelli," he said.

The Mercedes lawyer also accused Ferrari of doing more than 1000 kilometers of testing in the weeks before the Barcelona session, while admitting that having Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg wear all-black helmets was a "regrettable" decision.

"We acknowledge this aspect was bound to raise suspicion," he acknowledged.

A bullish Pirelli, meanwhile, argued that it fully complied with its contract with the FIA, and insisted it cannot be punished because it is not a team or driver.


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If f1 was trying to persuade Pirelli to stick around, they sure have a strange way of going about it. I know they have to enforce the rules, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the next headline read, "Pirelli tells Bernie to take a flying f*** at the moon!"


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Well that was a non event!

Tribunal hands Mercedes and Pirelli a slap on the wrist (Update) UPDATE (GMM) Mercedes on Friday said it will not appeal the international tribunal's verdict, therefore closing the 'test-gate' scandal.
The tribunal's judges revealed earlier that the Brackley based team has been reprimanded, banned from the forthcoming young drivers' test at Silverstone, and ordered to pay a share of the legal costs.

It had the right to appeal within 7 days.

But in a media statement, Mercedes described the penalties as "proportionate".

"(The tribunal) confirmed that the team acted in good faith regarding the Pirelli tests, never intended to obtain any unfair sporting advantage and had no reason to believe that approval ... had not been given," it read.

Mercedes said it will not appeal "in the best interests of the sport".

06/21/13 (GMM) Mercedes has been banned from testing at Silverstone next month, it emerged as the FIA's international tribunal on Friday handed down its verdict.

The German marque, and F1's tire supplier Pirelli, were also "reprimanded" at the end of the so-called test-gate scandal and ordered to pay costs, as the judge's panel found the post-Spanish grand prix test at Barcelona was a breach of the rules.

As a result, Mercedes will not be allowed to field 'young drivers' at the forthcoming three-day test at Silverstone in July.

The carmaker was also ordered to pay a third of the costs of the investigation, with Pirelli to pick up the bill for another third.

"The FIA wishes that lessons are learnt from this case," said the governing body in a separate statement.

"To this end, the FIA will make sure ... that its control of the testings is strengthened."

The statement said Mercedes and Pirelli can appeal.


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Slap on the wrist.
The earlier attempt to throw Charlie Whiting under the bus didn't leave a warm and fuzzy feeling...
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A bite from a toothless tiger, still it keeps MB and Pirelli in the loop

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Pirelli departing F1 would leave the sport a bit deflated....

Any F-1 tire manufacturer needs to be able to test with current cars.
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Ferrari hits out at Tribunal verdict

Ferrari hits out at Tribunal verdict | Ferrari | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1

Ferrari, through its controversial Horse Whisperer column, has hit out at the punishment Mercedes received at the FIA's International Tribunal on Friday, arguing it was too lenient.

Mercedes was reprimanded by the FIA and will be forced to skip the forthcoming Young Driver Test after taking part in a tyre test with Pirelli last month. Ferrari, one of the teams that protested the test in the first place, let rip through its anonymous Horse Whisperer column, poking fun at the Tribunal's verdict.

"We learned that even if one is guilty and in this case that is an indisputable and verified fact, there is always a way of muddling through as best one can," Ferrari wrote on its website. "One only has to suggest to the judge what the penalty should be and even better, why not make it something light like a rap across the knuckles.

"It is somewhat perplexing to say the least to see that the guilty party can get away virtually scot free for having derived 'an unfair sporting advantage.' Don't tell me that testing for three days on your own at the Catalunya circuit is the same as doing so with nine other teams at Silverstone with a host of young hopefuls at the wheel, in an area where the weather can still be changeable even in the height of summer. And what if this whole incident had taken place after the young drier test, what would have been the penalty then? Would they have been forbidden from holding an end of year dinner?

"In one sense then, it's a bit like when a ghost goal is scored against you and isn't disallowed and then your opponents are incorrectly awarded a penalty, which has no effect on the result, incidents which both the English and the Germans ought to remember well, don't you think? It's not something that can be remedied with a penalty in the next game…"

The column also criticised the FIA's approach to dealing with illegal parts on cars.

"The way things are going in Formula One at the moment is becoming boring: you make a mistake, you race with an illegal component, but then you are told to just change it for the next race and we've seen what we've seen…

"All this reminds the Whisperer that if he ever finds himself running a Formula One team in the near future and that he gets off to a difficult start to the season, then all it needs is to organise a nice week of testing at the right moment and then maybe have to skip a later session, by which time, everything could be done and dusted. What do you reckon?"

The column concluded: "Oh, and to those who jabber on about transparency and credibility, the Whisperer would remind them that the rules are very clear: you cannot test with a car from the current year. With those that are at least two years old, you can run when you like, where you like, with any driver you like, dressed how you like, inviting who you like."

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