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Alonso German GP win under threat?
Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa and Ferrari team bosses have been summoned by race stewards to answer accusations of implementing team orders during the German Grand


Alonso claimed a controversial second victory of the season at Hockenheim, but only after long-time leader Massa pulled over to allow his team-mate through.

The stewards’ inquiry is likely to centre around a radio message Massa received from his race engineer Rob Smedley, who said: “Fernando is faster you. Can you confirm you understood that message?”

Massa would slow to allow Alonso through just two laps later, the Spaniard going on to take victory with the Brazilian settling for second.

Although Stefano Domenicali defended the team’s actions in interviews following the race, he and others at Ferrari have now been summoned to explain their actions.

Massa’s dissatisfaction was made clear on the podium and during the press conference when he kept his answers to questions short and stated that he ‘should have won’.

Team orders have been banned in F1 since the farcical 2002 Austrian Grand Prix when Rubens Barrichello slowed metres from the line to allow Michael Schumacher to win.
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I watched that instruction to let Alonso past, even though it was blatantly obvious it was an instruction from Ferrari.
At the end of the race and during the interviews, Massa's tone and body language said it all.

It was cheating, pure and simple, and I hope the FIA punish Ferrari severely, as well as declaring P1 & 2 void.

It was a F***ing travesty, and an insult to al F1 fans the World over

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I would appreciate it if you wouldn't put the potential winner in the thread title.

SOME OF US HAVEN'T SEEN THE RACE YET, YA JACK WAGON!!!

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I wont spoil the race for others who have not seen it, but I will say that anyone in sport who wins from cheating (as far as I am consearned) does not deserve the acalade, and any so called sports man/women who takes a win from cheating should be banned from that sport, wheather team orders or not , it is thye principle that matters and if the winner feels no remorse for what he /she has done the should be banned for life. I am all for a good fight (vettel & Webber, hamilton & button) to all at FIA I love F1 please do not destroy the one sport I like. I feel like an ex F1 fan as this is really knocked me. I thought the FIA had got rid of this sort of thing.

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Why is it that Alonso always seems to be chest-deep in this sort of thing, no matter who he drives for? You have McLaren and the stolen Ferrari technical data, where he held on to incriminating information only to use it later to his advantage. You have the on-purpose crash with Renault to secure him the win, and now you have this.

This guy has to the the worst sport in recent memory in F1 - I honestly wonder if he's capable of winning on his own instead of just whining.
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What a let off! I sure hope the stewards are going to punish Ferrari for this BS. FIA is going to have to actually enforce the no team orders rule!
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Ferrari fined, referred to WMSC over team order allegations

Following their controversial one-two result at the German Grand Prix, Ferrari have been fined US$100,000 by the FIA after race stewards deemed they had breached sporting regulations. The case has also been referred to the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC).

Ferrari driver Felipe Massa, who had been leading the Hockenheim race, moved aside to allow team mate Fernando Alonso past on Lap 49. A few moments before, Massa’s race engineer Rob Smedley had told the Brazilian "Fernando is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?"

Although Ferrari insisted this did not constitute a team order, the stewards decided they contravened Article 39.1 of the sporting regulations, which regulates against team orders, and Article 151 (c) of the International Sporting Code, which relates to bringing the sport into disrepute. The decision will also be forwarded to the WMSC for its consideration, meaning Ferrari could in theory face further sanction.

Maintaining Ferrari’s innocence, team principal Stefano Domenicali stated: “As for the stewards’ decision, given after the race, in the interests of the sport, we have decided not to go through a procedure of appealing against it, confident that the World Council will know how to evaluate the overall facts correctly.”

For his part, Massa suggested he and not the team had made the decision to surrender the lead to Alonso: “In my opinion this was not a case of team orders: my engineer kept me constantly informed on what was going on behind me, especially when I was struggling a bit on the hard tyres: so I decided to do the best thing for the team, and a one-two finish is the best possible result, isn’t it?”
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$100,000 fine Less than the cost a new front wing

The FIA have got this wrong, they are not taking into account the millions of F1 aficionados that want to see a clean race, without a crackling, coded message to a driver to throw the race

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I think 100 millions would not be a big enough financial burden! I hope the WMSC will find them quilty and imply a real punishment!
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Clearly Massa was asked to move over. Alonso needs every point if he is to have any hope of challenging for the drivers title. McLaren are nearly 100 points clear of Ferrari in the constructors championship. Team orders? Or Alonso orders?

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