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Q&A with Red Bull’s Helmut Marko: We are not amused

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Q&A with Red Bull’s Helmut Marko: We are not amused

As Red Bull’s motorsport consultant, Dr Helmut Marko is the perfect person to ask about the incident between the team’s drivers Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber during the Turkish Grand Prix. Watching the duo go wheel-to-wheel and then lose an almost guaranteed one-two by ending up colliding was not the ideal end to the Istanbul Park weekend. And Marko and the rest of the team are keen to have a serious word with both drivers to ensure it never happens again…

Q: Helmut, how disappointed do you feel to have let victory slip from your grasp?
Helmut Marko: A sure-fire one-two to be exact! It leaves you speechless.

Q: Do you regret there are no team orders anymore?
HM: Well, we thought that we had two responsible drivers who wouldn’t get into such a situation in the first place.

Q: Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said he didn’t believe it was Vettel’s fault. Is this the official opinion of the team?
HM: Well, in the situation Sebastian was in, he had no other choice than to act the way he did.

Q: How will the team respond?
HM: We will carefully analyse the situation and sit down with all involved to have a serious word about what happened and how to handle situations like that in the future.

Q: Will you change something in the future to avoid such an incident happening again?
HM: Well, first of all we always told them that it is a strict no-go to go to the wall with each other. Whatever happens they always have to give room to the other. I hope that all the people involved will think a bit more in the future before acting.

Q: That suggests that one of the two should have given way to the other…
HM: Yes.

Q: And you will discuss with them who that should have been …
HM: Yes.

Q: Is it true that the team gave instructions to Mark Webber’s race engineer to let Sebastian Vettel pass because otherwise Lewis (Hamilton)would be able to overtake?
HM: That is not correct, because that would mean a team order. We informed Mark about the situation and it is for the driver to decide. The fact is that if Sebastian hadn’t passed he would have been overtaken by Hamilton.

Q: Why was Sebastian so much quicker than Mark so suddenly?
HM: I think it was in the tyres.

Q: Have you received a phone call from Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz?
HM: Yes. What does the Queen say? We are not amused? That’s what he said…that he was not amused!

Q: At the next race, if you have a one-two, how will you tell the drivers to behave?
HM: Montreal is a track that is probably not the best for our car, and if it is, we will surely make the right decisions.
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I'm sure both Seb and Mark got a can of really bitter Red Bull from everyone in the team!
Well, the fact that Vettel's front wheel hit Webbers rear suggests he was ahead.


Webber was in fuel-save mode before accident
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Red Bull has revealed Mark Webber was running his engine in a fuel-saving mode ahead of the accident with Sebastian Vettel that cost the team a potential 1-2 finish.

Webber was leading his team-mate on lap 41 but turned down his engine performance to ensure his car made the end of the race, while Vettel remained at maximum revs having saved fuel earlier on. This allowed Vettel to slipstream and pull alongside Webber heading down the back straight and into the favoured overtaking point at turn 12.

Webber gave Vettel minimal room as he came alongside and the German reacted by edging back across the track until the pair made contact. Vettel was out of the race on the spot while Webber lost the lead to the pursuing McLarens before making a pit stop for a new front wing.

Team boss Christian Horner said that Webber being in fuel-save mode explained the incident but did not excuse either driver for the accident.

"We now have all the facts," he said in the paddock. "Mark had changed down into a fuel saving mode that cost him a little bit of performance on the straights, which explains how Sebastian got a very clear run on him. The large mistake remains that not enough room was given, but the explanation is there on how Sebastian had managed to get into the tow. He had managed to save an extra kilo of fuel - as both cars start the race with the same amount of fuel. Effectively he had one more lap of the optimum engine mode, but we couldn't back him off because he was under pressure from Lewis Hamilton behind."

Horner does not think either driver can be blamed entirely for the accident and reiterated his disappointment that they did not allow each other more room.

"I think Mark put Sebastian on the dirty side, gave him just enough room and Sebastian came across obviously quite aggressively - but he was quite a long way down the side. So, it was very, very frustrating. We saw the McLarens racing each other and giving themselves a bit more room, we've seen drivers racing each other previously in Malaysia - which springs to mind as a recent race and they are usually very, very good at giving each other room. Today, for whatever reason, that didn't happen."

He also denied that Red Bull had favoured Vettel over Webber or vice-a-versa.

"Both our drivers are treated absolutely equally," Horner said. "They both have the same equipment, they both have the same opportunity. That is a policy we operate and that is the way that the team is - he [Vettel] managed to save a bit more fuel because he was in a slipstream for some of the race and he took advantage of that - as is his right to do. He was under a lot of pressure from Hamilton behind, which got him into a position to pass Mark. Our priority at that stage is that we want to win the race. Even if the cars wanted to change position we were still first and second, and it is still 43 points for the team and both drivers were pulling away from McLaren in the championship."

Horner said that any hard feelings between the pair would be dealt with before the next grand prix in Canada.

"I've spoken to both drivers," he added. "They are both grown ups, they are both big boys, they are both competitors, and the most important thing is that we have given away a load of points today. It must not happen again. They must learn from it. It is right to let the drivers race. We saw McLaren today letting their drivers race, but when drivers are in the same team it is important that they give each other a bit more respect and concede if one has got a run on the other."
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That was an ugly deal. My guess is that Webber will get most of the blame here.
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Red Bull confirms Webber won't take the blame

Red Bull confirms Webber won't take the blame
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Christian Horner: "It's clear that it was a racing accident that shouldn't have happened" ©

Red Bull boss Christian Horner has confirmed that his team does not hold Mark Webber to blame for causing the accident which took team-mate Sebastian Vettel out of the Turkish Grand Prix.

In the immediate aftermath Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko appeared to blame Webber for not giving the faster Vettel more space under braking. This lead to rumours of a rift within the team, but Horner insists that no such division exists and Marko has now revised his opinion after studying all the evidence.

"Ultimately we win as a team and we lose as a team and on Sunday we lost as a team, as a result of our two drivers having an incident," Horner said in a press release aimed at diffusing the situation. "Having looked at all the information it's clear that it was a racing accident that shouldn't have happened between two team-mates. After looking at all the facts that weren't available immediately after the race, Dr. Marko also fully shares this view."

He added that Red Bull will now hold a meeting ahead of the Canadian Grand Prix in order to put the crash to rest.

"We're a very strong team and we will sit down and discuss this openly with the drivers in order to learn from what has happened and avoid a situation like this arising again," team principal Christian Horner said. "One of the strengths of Red Bull Racing is the team spirit here, which has contributed to the performance that we have achieved so far this season. The drivers are both intelligent individuals and this issue will be resolved prior to the Canadian Grand Prix. Both drivers, as has always been the case, will be given equal treatment. That will continue."

He said that Vettel's actions after the crash, which included pointing at Webber and making gestures suggesting his team-mate was crazy, would be discussed.

"The adrenaline was flowing and obviously there's a great deal of frustration when you've just crashed out of a race," Horner said. "It will be discussed and I am certain that the air will be cleared before Canada."

With two days to assess all the data, Horner also gave a more comprehensive analysis of the accident.

"We had a unique situation during the Turkish GP where the first four cars were separated by two seconds, with Mark having led every lap until lap 40," he said. "The race was the fastest of the season to date with all four drivers pushing each other extremely hard. On lap 38, Mark changed his mixture setting based on his fuel consumption to a slightly leaner mode, which had an average lap time loss of about 0.18 seconds, whilst maintaining the same revs. Sebastian had conserved more fuel than Mark during the race and therefore was able to run in a slightly better mode for an additional couple of laps.

"On lap 38 and 39, Sebastian's pace picked up and he closed right up to the back of Mark while under considerable pressure from Hamilton behind. After a very strong run through Turn 9, Sebastian got a run and strong tow and moved to the left to pass Mark. Mark held the inside line and adopted a defensive position, which he is entitled to do. When Sebastian was three quarters of the way past, he moved to the right. As Sebastian moved to the right, Mark held his position and the ensuing result was contact that resulted in Sebastian retiring, Mark damaging the front-end of his car and the team losing a one two finish. Ultimately both drivers should have given each other more room."

When asked what Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz thought of the accident, he responded: "Dietrich has spoken with both drivers following the incident. He has always supported both drivers equally and summed it up by saying: 'Shit happens… we shouldn't talk about the past, but concentrate on the future. Fact is that we not only have the fastest car but also two of the best and fastest drivers'."
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Horner: Webber asked Vettel to back off

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Horner: Webber asked Vettel to back off

By Matt Beer and Adam Cooper Wednesday, June 2nd 2010, 13:11 GMT

Mark WebberRed Bull Racing boss Christian Horner has revealed that Mark Webber asked for Sebastian Vettel to 'back off' from him the lap before their collision in the Turkish Grand Prix.

Vettel was attempting to pass Webber for the lead approaching the final corners on lap 41 of the race when contact between them left Vettel with race-ending damage and dropped Webber from first to third - handing McLaren a one-two.

Although Webber had led the race from the outset, Vettel closed on him just prior to the crash and, in an exclusive interview with AUTOSPORT, Horner said Webber had radioed the team asking if Vettel could ease off - a request Red Bull was unwilling to allow with the McLarens of Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button close behind.

"It was quite clear that with the speed advantage the McLarens had on the straight, it was impossible to fall back into them," Horner told AUTOSPORT.

"Mark had requested the lap before to ask Sebastian to back off a bit. There was no way you could do that because of the McLarens being right there."

Horner acknowledged that Vettel had the faster pace at the time of the incident.

"It looked like Mark started to struggle with the rear tyres a bit more - that's what it looked like on the pit wall," said Horner. "And Sebastian, between laps 38 and 39, really closed up rapidly to the back of Mark, obviously got a run on him on lap 40 and they both found themselves in a situation they didn't want to be in."

He remains confident that the crash has not done irrevocable damage to the intra-team relationship.

"We're fortunate that both our guys are mature, balanced individuals," Horner said. "Obviously emotions were running high on Sunday, but they're both professionals.

"They are probably not going to be down the pub for a drink together, but they will continue to work professionally in the manner that they have done in the forthcoming races. They work for the team at the end of the day and they know what the rules are."
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Red Bull drivers clear the air
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Red Bull Racing drivers Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel met with team boss Christian Horner, chief technician Adrian Newey and consultant Dr. Marko for further 'clear-the-air' talks at the team's factory on Thursday.

Somewhat predictably, neither driver apportioned any blame for the incident that may well have cost the team victory on lap 40 of the Turkish Grand Prix.

"The team had got us into a great position and it wasn't good for them what happened - so I'm sorry for them that we lost the lead of the race," said Vettel. "Mark and I are racers and we were racing. We are professionals and it won't change how we will work together going forward. We have a great team and the spirit is very strong. I'm looking forward to Canada."

Webber, who was leading the race at the time when Vettel tried to pass, said the incident was part and parcel of the sport but that it should not have happened.

"It's a shame for the team, as we lost a good opportunity to win the race," said Webber. "It's sport and these things can happen, but it shouldn't have done. I feel for everyone at Red Bull, at the factory and everyone involved. Seb and I will make sure it doesn't happen again and will continue to work openly together, no problem. We have talked enough on it now, it's done, we're looking ahead and I'm focused on the race in Canada next week."
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(GMM) As Red Bull drew a line under the matter on Thursday, former FIA president Max Mosley waded into the debate about the collision between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel in Turkey.

After a meeting in Milton-Keynes on Thursday, the team issued a statement that included a jovial photo of the teammates with the caption 'Shit happens'.

"I'm sorry for the team that we lost the lead of the race. Mark and I are racers and we were racing," German Vettel, 22, is quoted as saying.

With the blame-game apparently put to bed, Mosley however told the German newspaper Die Welt that he thinks the crash was Australian Webber's fault.

Interestingly, 70-year-old Briton Mosley is a close friend and former F1 ally of Red Bull's Austrian billionaire owner Dietrich Mateschitz.

Dr Helmut Marko, also Austrian and Mateschitz's right-hand man on motor racing matters, also initially blamed Webber for the lap-40 shunt at Istanbul Park.

"From my perspective," said former long-time FIA president Mosley, "I do not think that Sebastian Vettel should receive the blame for the collision."

Mosley added: "At the time of the accident Vettel was clearly faster than Webber. At this stage he (Vettel) had the right and the duty to overtake."

Red Bull has revealed that Webber was running a fuel-saving engine setting while Vettel was not, and that the Australian radioed the pits to ask the McLaren-pressured Vettel to drop back.

Moreover, the team claims Webber's race engineer Ciaron Pilbeam failed to pass on a radio message warning the 33-year-old not to repel an attack by Vettel, whose tires were reportedly also in better shape than Webber's.

Marko aside, most of the F1 world said it was Vettel who aggressively turned right whilst alongside the sister RB6 driven by Webber.

"I do not agree," said Mosley, strongly siding with Marko, who along with team boss Christian Horner also attended Thursday's clear-the-air meeting.

Said Mosley: "It can be clearly seen that Vettel had already passed Webber before the collision, and at that time Webber should have given him more space -- especially as they were already on the far left side of the track.

"Now you could argue (about the blame) if it had not been Webber's teammate, but as it was, he (Webber) should have respected his responsibility to the team.

"Remember, both cars were doing almost 300kph, so considering the risk, he (Webber) should have taken a chance to improve his position at another point in the race."

When told by the Welt interviewer that the same rationale also applies to Vettel, Mosley answered: "The crucial point speaks for Vettel and against Webber -- that one driver in this moment was fast, while the other was slow."

Mosley, who speaks fluent German, also said he does not believe Red Bull's apparent desire to see Vettel ahead of Webber amounts to illegal team orders.

"I cannot see that," said the Briton. "Vettel was under pressure from Lewis Hamilton, he was faster than Webber, and to shake off the McLaren he needed to pass the slower Webber.

"Even if this situation was declared to the drivers by radio, this would not be a team order or a manipulation of the drivers' championship, but rather an explanation of a particular situation -- (it is) necessary information for the drivers."

Comparing the situation to Ferrari's infamous place-swapping in Austria in 2002, Mosley said "one was a conscious manipulation of the world championship, the other is the legitimate explanation of a racing situation."
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New Twist To Red Bull Incident

Intrigue is growing surrounding the collision between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel which robbed Red Bull Racing of a 1-2 finish in the Turkish Grand Prix.

In the aftermath of the accident, Red Bull Racing's Helmut Marko and other senior team personnel appeared to hold Webber more responsible for the coming-together despite it being Vettel who had made the obvious driving error.

From the reaction it was easy to infer that despite Webber having led the race for the first 40 laps, it was Vettel who the team believed should be taking the 25 points maximum score.

The only way in which it made sense for Webber to be shouldering any responsibility for the accident was if an instruction had been made for the Australian to allow Vettel to pass. The team always denied this, however, and on Tuesday, Red Bull's PR department issued its own Q&A with team principal Christian Horner.

In it, Horner states: "Neither driver was given any instruction to change position. There are no team orders within Red Bull Racing other than that the drivers should race each other with respect."

Two days later, however, the British magazine 'Autosport' published its report of the race. Its Grand Prix editor, Mark Hughes, wrote: "Going into lap 40 team boss Christian Horner instructed Webber's engineer Ciaron Pilbeam to tell Webber to allow Vettel past. Pilbeam could not bring himself to pass the message on."

The magazine was published on the very day that the two Red Bull drivers met with Horner, Helmut Marko and Adrian Newey in Milton Keynes to have discussions that, it is claimed, were 'positive' and drew a line under the incident, although pointedly neither driver admitted responsibility.

Elsewhere, Autosport speculated that it might suit Marko's political agenda for Pilbeam to be sidelined as a scapegoat for the incident, although if this was to happen it would hardly foster the 'strong team spirit' that Red Bull claims and would no doubt go down like a lead balloon with Webber...


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