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Max to F1 rebels: Start your own series

Max to F1 rebels: Start your own series

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Max to F1 rebels: Start your own series - F1 | ITV Sport

FIA president Max Mosley has made it clear that the governing body will stand its ground over its controversial 2010 budget cap plan and will not bow to the demands of the Formula One Teams’ Association.

The nine active FOTA members – all of the current F1 grid bar Williams – submitted entries for the 2010 world championship last Friday, but said they were conditional on the planned budget cap being dropped and their influence over the rule-making process being restored via a new Concorde Agreement.

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali and Toyota’s F1 president John Howett have since issued statements emphasising the teams’ resolve, with Domenicali declaring starkly that the nine entries would be “invalid” if FOTA’s terms are not met.

After keeping his own counsel for several days, Mosley has now thrown down the gauntlet to the nine ‘rebel’ teams – calling on them to set up their own championship if they are unhappy with F1’s current governance.

“I say to them: If you want to make the rules, then go and organise your own championship,” he told Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell.

“But we have the Formula 1 championship. We draw up the rules for that.

“We’ve been doing that for 60 years and we will continue to do so.”

One of FOTA’s conditions is for a new Concorde Agreement – which would bind the signatory teams to F1 until 2012, but would also take rule-making power away from the FIA World Council – to be signed by June 12, when the governing body will announce the successful 2010 entrants.

But Mosley says there is insufficient time to finalise a new agreement by that date: “You cannot sign an agreement that was drawn up so late by June 12.”

He also suggested FOTA’s conditions are a delaying tactic intended to keep out prospective new teams.

“It’s quite clear that they want to slow down the process of application to the championship so that it will be too late for the new teams,” he said.

A steady stream of new teams – of varying degrees of credibility – have confirmed that their intention to join F1 next year under the budget cap option, as has Williams; while the FIA insists that Ferrari is bound by contractual obligations to compete until 2012.

So although the united stance of the nine FOTA teams gives them a strong negotiating hand, the FIA is holding out the threat that they will lose their places on next year’s grid unless they drop their conditions and sign up to the regulations as they currently stand.
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I think it's a shame that the teams that have poured money into formula one making it the brand that it is, now have the FIA (Max Mosley) pull the rug out from under their feet. By making it possible for teams that do not currently have the technical or financial capability to compete in formula one, teams like Ferrari, McLaren etc have basically had their balls cut off..

Next Max and his little buddy will be advocating a one-make chassis to lower costs...

I also noticed/heard that MARCH are considering re-entering F1..... Hmmmm...
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I'm telling you, there's a F1/IRL merger in there somewhere, especially if FOTA starts its own series and Tony George's sisters tell him enough is enough. I can think of a thousand reasons why it won't happen, but stranger things have happened...
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The cars are really quite different, so something would have to give. But, yeah I see what you mean.

I remember when everyone thought that Jean Marie Balestre had over-stayed his time as FIA president. Along came Max and everyone thought, ah yes. A breath of fresh air, someone with a lot of sense that we can all work with.

Well now it's Max that is stinking up the place and needs to move on.
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Mosley told teams to lodge ‘conditional’ entries

Mosley told teams to lodge ‘conditional’ entries
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04/06/09 18:50

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FOTA in limbo as they await word from the FIA
Mario Theissen on Thursday said the F1 crisis remains ‘critical’, but another interesting detail emerged during his meeting with the press at Istanbul Park.

While the Formula One Teams' Association members insist they will not accept the announced 2010 rules, and Max Mosley insists the FIA must write the regulations, BMW chief Theissen was asked about the 'conditional entries' lodged by the deadline last Friday.

"The term 'conditional entry' came from Mosley," the German is quoted as saying by the SID news agency.

It is suggested that, at the Monaco meeting nearly two weeks ago, the FIA President advised FOTA to lodge the entries attached to their conditions for competing next year.

It had previously been presumed that the conditional status of the entries would render them invalid in the eyes of the FIA, and that the June 12 entry list will therefore omit the nine teams involved.

But in light of Theissen's revelation, it is now less likely that the entries will be dismissed by Mosley, because if that was to be the case, he would have simply allowed FOTA to miss the May 29th deadline altogether.

However, since FOTA demanded that their entries be treated as a whole and not on a case-by-case basis, Mosley would theoretically have no choice but to reject the nine member teams if negotiations fail.


If that should happen, therefore, teams wishing to prevent their participation in the 2010 season from being discarded would then have to follow Williams' example and leave FOTA in order to resubmit their forms under whatever rules are in place before being considered by the FIA.

What could be developing behind the scenes is a delicate exercise in devising a solution that leaves no egg on the faces of the various egos involved.

So while the hard-liners like Ferrari and Toyota insist a budget cap will never be accepted, Theissen on Thursday was keen to play down reports that a breakaway championship is increasingly looking likely.

"All I can say is that we want to come to a solution with the FIA. We are open and ready to talk," he claimed.

No significant meetings are currently planned for this weekend.

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Force India defects, lodges 2010 entry

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05/06/09 08:11

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Force India breaks ranks and joins Williams
Like suspended member Williams, Force India has broken ranks with the FOTA teams' alliance and unconditionally signed up to contest the 2010 world championship.

The move, reported by Germany's Auto Motor und Sport, leaves just eight current teams, including top outfits Ferrari and McLaren, threatening to sit out next season over the budget cap rules dispute with FIA President Max Mosley.

The eight teams had no official meetings planned for Istanbul, but Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali was on Thursday spotted entering the FIA motor home for a sit-down with Mosley's representative Alan Donnelly.

The Italian then moved on to the McLaren building. Mosley, and the FOTA Chairman Luca di Montezemolo, are not in Turkey this weekend.


Auto Motor und Sport reports that Brawn GP, which like Williams and Force India is an independent outfit that would likely welcome the budget cap's cost-limiting function, is not going to also defect.

"The recent proposal of the teams makes a great many concessions to the FIA," Ross Brawn is quoted as saying. "The result would be the same as Mosley's budget limit."

BMW's Mario Theissen on Thursday agreed that the proposal is similar to the budget cap, although the 'name' would have to change.

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The cars are really quite different.
No doubt, maybe "merger" is the wrong word. The useful life of those IRL cars is over anyway. I think what you would see (in the one in a million chance it ever happened) would be not so much a merger, but the well funded teams from a defunct IRL having to move over to a budget capped F1 series, and the agreements with the best tracks here assigned to F1.

I realize this is not likely, especially with the FOTA standoff starting to crumble.

Too bad the IRL didn't adopt that new Champ Car chassis. That was a sweet car, and now they're all in mothballs.

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