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Engine Plans To Test Team's Unity

Engine Plans To Test Team's Unity

Thu 23 Oct, 03:09 PM

Unanimity is not normally a word you would associate with Formula One.

In-fighting and squabbling maybe as the teams, manufacturers and the FIA have rarely, if ever, unanimously agreed on anything.

But this week peace broke out as an agreement was reached that can only be described as historically significant given the degree of harmony at its core.

All 10 teams, in taking the first stride to cut costs as demanded by FIA president Max Mosley, decided an engine will now last three races for next season instead of two.

To the average man on the street there is an element of 'So what?', but for F1 the implications are considerable.

So was this a one-off, or can such a consensus be maintained?

Mosley threw a major spanner in the works four days prior to the meeting when he opened a tender process to standardise engines from 2010 through to 2013.

The FIA will at least let the manufacturers - Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda and Renault - build their own engines, but it will be to a detailed design as set out by whoever wins the tender.

That could mean, for argument's sake, Mercedes winning the bid and Ferrari then having to use an engine designed by their fiercest rival.

That would be sacrilege for any hot-blooded Italian with a passion for motorsport's most iconic team.

The FIA claim the process is open to all engine designers, paving the way for the likes of a company like Mecachrome to step in.

But what is the point? A Ferrari or a McLaren with an engine built, or designed by, another supplier?

One can understand Mosley's recent obsession with wanting to save money given the current financial climate, but this idea will only serve to alienate the manufacturers.

That is unlikely to be Mosley's intention, but in issuing such an edict, one can only assume he sought to stir them into action.

FOTA are currently urgently working on their own engine proposal for 2010 and it is to be hoped common ground will be found, as it was this week.

If not, the old stories regarding a breakaway organisation could resurface as the teams do not like being dictated to.

Supremo Bernie Ecclestone is confident the manufacturers will not walk away, believing the FIA are "saving them an awful lot of money."

But a motor manufacturer is in F1 to showcase all of their talent, not to do half a job, as it may be perceived, if the engine is not their own.

Apparently, Toyota Motorsport president John Howett was quoted as saying after the meeting with Mosley that for his company, a single-engine supplier "would be a reason to leave Formula One."

Mosley has either very cleverly manoeuvred the manufacturers into a position where they have to be pro-active and make changes for the future well-being of the sport, or he has opened up a can of worms that could result in hostility rather than harmony.

For the sake of Formula One, let us hope it is the former.

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Perhaps if Mosley really wanted to be radical and make a mark before the end of his final mandate next October he could make F1 the first electric championship.

Don't laugh, it may happen one day because there is currently an electric, four-wheel drive car being developed that is capable of producing 700hp.

The Bee Four electric racing vehicle (ERV) - aka the 'Watt 4' - is being built to compete in the British Speed Hill Climb Championship next year.

Former Lotus F1 designer Martin Ogilvie is among those spearheading the project, along with Oxford University and MIRA Ltd, the Motor Industry Research Association.

Graeme Wight, a two-time former British Speed Hill Climb champion, will be behind the wheel.

So if Formula One really wants to embrace green technology, perhaps Mosley should take in next year's BSHCC.

Now that would give the sport's manufacturers something to think about.

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I don't like the Nascar idea of having one company deseign the engine for everyone! It's killing the individuality of the sport! Sometimes I hate Max more than Bernie!
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I don't like the Nascar idea of having one company deseign the engine for everyone! It's killing the individuality of the sport! Sometimes I hate Max more than Bernie!
According to Toyota, it would be reason enough to leave F-1.
They wouldn't be the only team.
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I can't see either Daimler or BMW backing a championship where their own motors and drivetrains don't feature. What key parts of the car then remain that they can lay claim to? Especially so for Mercedes-Benz, running a McLaren chassis, despite their stake in that company.

F1 is as much a showpiece for the manufacturers as it is the drivers.

Still, it never did make me want to buy a Renault after 2005 and 2006!!!

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I understand the teams. It's not worth for McLaren Mercedes to win the world championship with Skoda's engine.
It's not going to be a McLaren Mercedes racing against Ferrari it will be Team A agaist Team B, we have A1GP for that.
Teams did great move on the issue - they united and send only one rep - Ferrari's Dominicalli to speak with Moosley.

What is the value of FIA points ? If points are award by some other association - will it make the championship less interesting ?

Can Berny and Max be replaced by a new organization ? Or can Max and Berny replace Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Renault ?

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Still, it never did make me want to buy a Renault after 2005 and 2006!!!
But you are aware of Renault brand ? Have you heard of Spyker before they had F1 team (for short time) ? Think about millions of "average" viewers.

F1 expense comes under "Brand Awareness" budget of F1.
They don't direct market any particular product to you (Maybe McLaren SLR) they just there to build a hype around the brand

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Ferrari threaten to quit Formula One

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Eurosport - Mon, 27 Oct 18:17:00 2008

Ferrari have indicated they could re-evaluate their commitment to Formula One if plans to standardise engines for all teams competing in the world championship become reality.

Formula One has seen many teams taken over by car-makers in recent years with Renault, BMW, Toyota and Honda joining Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz in using the sport as a showcase for their brands and cars.

However faced with rising costs and calls for major reforms to help boost the sport the FIA announced last week plans to cut costs and standardise engines.

The FIA said it will be open to tenders for the standardised engine and transmission to be used from 2010.

Ferrari, in a statement released following a board meeting on Monday, said they "fully agreed with the need for a substantial and necessary reduction of costs".

But the Italian firm said it had "major reservations" over any proposals that would lead to teams using the same engines: "it would deprive Formula One of its whole reason for existing, which is based on competition and technological development."

The statement added: "It is thanks to these elements that Ferrari has been a continual and integral part of Formula One since 1950.

"If these elements were to become obsolete, our Administrative Council (board) reserves the right, after consultation with its partners, to evaluate whether we remain committed to the discipline (of Formula One)."

Following the FIA calls last week Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone played down fears that major manufacturers would quit the sport over the standard engine issue.

Ecclestone said he "can't see any reason" why car-makers might leave over the plans, which he said would help them save money as the global economy stalls.

"I don't see why they should leave. We are saving them an awful lot of money, I hope. I don't see why they should," he said.

"Why should someone pull out because they are going to save a lot of money? All the technical things will still be there so they can show all their talents.

"What we want is to reduce the necessity to spend to be competitive. That is the simplest thing."

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I have just found the exact article on the formula1.com, I just hope that the teams will unite this time to save the sport and keep the tradition going! All these changes will actually add more development expenses!
Someone needs to smack Max upside the head, very hard!
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Max IMHO has been horrible for F1. I'm an old believer of let the teams develope the cars to their fullest measure. Bernie's little red choo choo has gone chugging around the bend. With proposed races like the black hole of Calcutta have just made me and my friends scratch our collective heads. They can have a race in India or some other $#!^ hole but no races in North America (read USA). Hello! is this thing on????

I do remember when Cosworth was a major engine player and there were more teams because half the field was using the Cosworth powerplant. All well and fine. F1 has (for good or bad) developed itself out of the Privateer teams with the exception of a few that are not competetive. If Max wants to use a single engine formula then why don't they just scrap F1 as we know it and go to a "Spec" series like IRL. If that happens I guess I'll change my focus to a new sport like watching grass grow.
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FIA: Ferrari are "misinformed"

FIA: Ferrari are "misinformed"
Eurosport - Tue, 28 Oct 16:45:00 2008

The FIA has said Ferrari are "misinformed" over plans for the standardisation of Formula One technology after the Scuderia threatened to quit the sport.

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World motorsport's governing body responded to the statement issued by the Italian marque's board which criticised the possible introduction of a spec engine, saying in that case it would "have to re-evaluate with its partners the viability of continuing its presence in the sport".

The FIA said it was simply one of a number of options put to the competing teams in an effort to bring down expenditure from its current unsustainable level.

"The FIA has noted the press statement issued by the Ferrari Board of Directors," the statement read.

"It seems the Ferrari Board were misinformed. The FIA has offered the teams three options, one of which is the so-called standard engine, and another that the manufacturers should jointly guarantee to supply power trains to the independent teams for less than five million euros per season.

"The FIA is delighted by Ferrari's financial success and hopes this will be maintained. However a number of teams find themselves facing costs which greatly exceed income. This is not sustainable."

The statement added that it was down to the teams to either agree to one of the options or make their own cost-cutting suggestions, with the FIA warning that failure to reach an agreement would lead to the governing body doing "whatever proves necessary" to ensure that F1 remains a credible World Championship.

"It is now for the manufacturers to agree one of the three FIA options or themselves produce concrete proposals to reduce costs to a sustainable level," it continued.

"If neither happens, the FIA will take whatever measures prove necessary to preserve a credible World Championship for both drivers and constructors."

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