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FIA accepts McLaren apology over Ferrari data

FIA accepts McLaren apology over Ferrari data
McLaren admitted on Thursday that an FIA investigation has revealed Ferrari data to have been more widely disseminated within the British team than they had previously thought. McLaren's move follows their receipt of a report produced by the FIA’s technical department concerning the squad's 2008 car.

In light of the report’s findings, McLaren have offered to ‘impose a moratorium on development in relation to three separate systems’- quickshift, fast fill, and the use of CO2 as a tyre gas - in order to ensure that there is no possibility of Ferrari information inspiring the design of their new challenger.

Following McLaren's public apology and undertakings, FIA President Max Mosley has asked the members of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) for their consent to cancel the hearing into the report scheduled for 14 February 2008 and, in the interests of the sport, to consider the matter closed.

McLaren also published a letter, sent by Chief Operating Officer Martin Whitmarsh to the Council, in which the team apologise ‘unreservedly’ for the failure of their own internal inquiry and offer to suspend development on parts of their 2008 car which could have been influenced by confidential data from their rivals.

McLaren’s statement in full:
“As a result of the investigations carried out by the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile it has become clear that Ferrari information was more widely disseminated within McLaren than was previously communicated. McLaren greatly regrets that its own investigations did not identify this material and has written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise for this.

“McLaren has written a letter to the FIA which in the interests of transparency it is publishing with this press statement. That letter speaks for itself and the sentiments expressed in it are sincerely held by McLaren. McLaren has also written to the World Motor Sport Council to apologise that it has taken an FIA investigation to find this information and have expressed our deep regret that our understanding of the facts was improved as a result of the FIA inspection rather than our own investigations. McLaren has recognised that this entire situation could have been avoided if we had informed Ferrari and the FIA about Nigel Stepney's first communication when it came to our attention. We are, of course, embarrassed by the successive disclosures and have apologised unreservedly to the FIA World Motor Sport Council.

“To avoid even the possibility of Ferrari information influencing our performance during 2008, McLaren has offered a set of detailed undertakings to the FIA which will impose a moratorium on development in relation to three separate systems. During the course of these incidents, McLaren has conducted a thorough review of its policies and procedures regarding the recruitment and management of staff. The proposals arising from this thorough review have been disclosed to the FIA and McLaren has agreed to demonstrate that all of these policies and procedures have been fully implemented.

“McLaren wish to make a public apology to the FIA, Ferrari, the Formula 1 community and to Formula 1 fans throughout the world and offer their assurance that changes are now being made which will ensure that nothing comparable to what has taken place will ever happen again. McLaren have also agreed to pay the costs incurred by the FIA for their investigation.

“McLaren now wishes to put these matters behind it and to move forward focusing on the 2008 season.”

To read the full letter sent by McLaren to the FIA, click here.

To read the report by the FIA Technical Department to the WMSC, click here.
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The whole pathetic episode is a disgrace to the 'McLaren' motor racing name and legend.
The team name for 2008 should be 'MereSeedies'
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The whole pathetic episode is a disgrace to the 'McLaren' motor racing name and legend.
The team name for 2008 should be 'MereSeedies'
I agree with the pathetic part, team shopping has been going on for as long as there's been F1, though. This has been blown out of proportion, but, there it is.

Anyway, from what I understand, Ron Dennis is the one who blew the whistle, on his own team, no less. Don't care much for the man, yet this, if true, would go a long way in restoring my faith.

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Well, Mosley has what he wanted. Dennis is publicly humiliated and McLaren has raised the white flag and surrendered.

Who do you believe? It is very difficult and whilst McLaren's letter to the FIA accepts that Ferrari information found it's way to more people than just Coughlan, PDR and Alonso McLaren do not accept that any Ferrari information found it's way into the 2007 or 2008 car and neither has the FIA been able to prove it (otherwise Ferrari would not have agreed to Mosley's recommendation to drop the February hearing) Agreeing to restrict development in three areas of the car is a pragmatic acceptance that the team does not have the time to wait until a February '08 hearing but also a realisation that the company is facing a financial squeeze.

Without certainty about it's 2008 future raising investment has been very difficult and that comes over loud and clear in the full text of the letter. McLaren has had a credit crunch of it's own.

For what it is worth I think that Ron Dennis has been let down quite badly by some of his employees and I do not think he knew the extent of the problem. Nevertheless his total belief and some might say arrogance has been his own downfall. I would not be surprised if this was the beginning of the end for Ron. I don't doubt he will be involved in 2008 but beyond .... who knows.
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^^^^True, wonder if or more than likely how many sponsers they will loose.......Should be a good year for Kimi as McLaren have just a few months to replace and test the 3 systems that have been possibly copied from Ferrari. Somebody will be working through Xmas.
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Think what I would actually hate to see is Ron Dennis forced to step down. I get the impression he is actually a stand uo kind of guy and I liked how he handled the whole Donkey fiasco. He should have to step down due to the lower level staff developing systems from Ferrari data (without Dennis's knowledge) rather than doing their job.

Dennis should clan house for the idiots that screwed him and the team over this latest info coming out.
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What I still don't get is how the treatment of McLaren is so different to the treatment of Renault. It is hard to see, given the similarity of the situations, how this whole thing is fair.

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What I still don't get is how the treatment of McLaren is so different to the treatment of Renault. It is hard to see, given the similarity of the situations, how this whole thing is fair.
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What I still don't get is how the treatment of McLaren is so different to the treatment of Renault. It is hard to see, given the similarity of the situations, how this whole thing is fair.
McLaren had the information, and also had a very competitive car;
Renault had the information, but had an not very competitive car.

Based on the above, which team was more likely to have used the info to their advantage?
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I don't think they were sincere. The text of the apology:

We are really, really, really, really, really, really, sorry we got caught with Ferrari data...and stuff, really.

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