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Season 2008 - Hamilton facing more penalties?
Eurosport - Thu, 01 Nov 15:04:00 2007
Lewis Hamilton and McLaren could be forced to start next season's Formula One World Championship on negative points if they are found to have used any Ferrari information on their 2008 car.

More StoriesMosley: Hamilton's not all that
That is the opinion of Max Mosley, president of the sport's rulemakers the FIA.

The British team were fined £50.2 million and thrown out of this year's Constructors' Championship after being found to have knowingly possessed confidential Ferrari technical documents leaked to their suspended chief designer Mike Coughlan from Ferrari.

Additionally, they were told that the sport's governing body the FIA would thoroughly probe their 2008 machine to ensure that no ideas from the Italian team will be used in the future either.

Mosley told the BBC what penalties McLaren could expect if found in breach of this rule.

"You're not going to find on the McLaren a part that was designed by Ferrari," said Mosley.

"But what you may find are ideas and at this level of technology at this level of motorsport, if the idea is given to the chief designer he will make a component utilising that idea which bears no relation at all to the component perhaps being used by the other car.

"So we will be looking for the ideas. The investigation will be thorough, it will use outside experts and we will do everything we possibly can to make sure that either of the McLarens has no element of Ferrari intellectual property in it or if it does we will then have to consider taking some sort of action.

"That would not necessarily be preventing them from running. It would be more likely that they would be given a negative point allocation."

Mosley would not confirm whether or not any penalty would be confined to the team, like the spy scandal penalty was, or whether Hamilton and his team-mate, whoever that may be, would also be punished.

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If this amounts to anything Max Mosely should be subject to some kind of scrutiny to determine who pays him for what services. The idea that two or ten teams of highly paid individuals, given a set of rules and budgets are not going to have similar "ideas" on how to go about solving a problem within the rules is absurd. They are all constrained by Mother Nature at one end, and their budgets at the other. In the middle lie skill, cleverness and insight. And all of it works with persistence and tenacity.

I used to participate in the local high school FIRST (For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology - Home) Team, where you have a similar set of rules, a budget and a box of "must use parts" for storing, controlling and converting energy on a robot designed to "play" a game every year. To keep things interesting the organization drastically changes the game, makes very peculiar scoring rules designed to encourage cooperation and understanding your opponent, and they add technical features each year, while making standard assemblies now and then. My team's drive system, for example, has become the standard drive arrangement since it was very robust and reliable, and fast, which proved to be an almost unfair advantage as it evolved over 4 or 5 years.

In the end, given the similar challenges and the harsh environment of competition, with a regulating agency seeking to avoid any team developing an overwhelming advantage - surprise! The finalists have many similar features, not the least of which is the most well funded teams have the best robot drivers (they make a second machine to practice on while the competition unit is shipped off to FIRST on a deadline, and only available for between competition work after it passes inspections), the most complete sets of spares and so on. All very much like F1 or NASCAR or any other similar competition where the answer is forced to be in a relatively small box that can only be "enlarged" with an ever enlarging budget, which is held in check by changing the "formula" periodically to preclude really long term investments in any particular set of problems to be solved.

When you get down to it, all the answers to everything are dictated by f=ma. If that doesn't work, neither does the solution that doesn't comply with it. Jim
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At least he says the panel reviewing will have external experts. Let's hope that balances things up a bit - if it was just the FIA then McLaren may as well stay home for the first 5 races. I am sure the FIA is biased against this team (and equally biased towards the red team) and I'd have little confidence in them being able to determine a balanced view. I doubt very much that McLaren will have a top running car anyway - the financial impact must have some flow-on effect to their engineering capability.



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You guys need to stop cryingover spilt milk, nobody told the McLaren engineer, Dela Rosa or Alonso to keep this ferrair data secret nor were they not told to go directly their management or the FIA when these secrets were being passed. It is one thing to talk at a race and say things but to give 780 pages of techinalc data and as well accept sms's and emails from a rouge Ferrari employee and then try and benifit your car and team, well that seems abit much. McLaren employees stepped over the line and now the team pays the price.

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