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Dopes anyone know where i can view or obtain pictures of the 2.3-16 DTM race cars of the mid eighties. Does anyone have any pix of the inaugural race at the new nurburging track when the 2.3`s did the first race?
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RE: sourcing photos of DTM 190E 2.3-16 cars

Nardo....This website is about Evo 2..Not sure u've seen it or not but just here to help...

http://www.geocities.com/nideggerh/evo2.html

Belongs to Evo racerII
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Does it have to have a Grille to count as one????
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RE: sourcing photos of DTM 190E 2.3-16 cars

How many teams were in DTM before today? I saw a Porsche in the last pic, or what looked like one. The 2.3 was never a DTM car, that was the Evo I and II.
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RE: sourcing photos of DTM 190E 2.3-16 cars

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How many teams were in DTM before today? I saw a Porsche in the last pic, or what looked like one. The 2.3 was never a DTM car, that was the Evo I and II.
Good point. I will look into what I can find on teams and share.How many? not sure. I know Opel,and Audi like to race today. Some of those Opels look a tad bit odd at times, but I think you are right, that does look like a Porsche about to be creamed by a grille.I will ask my Co-worker to shed somelight on Porche was ever in DTM and if that is not a Porsche in the picture.

Now help me out here.
Evo's utilized the M-103 motor is that correct?

Was there ever "in the begining" a 2.3L even if it was for the initial race or two?

I though I read from a South African article at one time that the 2.3 was used at first but was too heavy for the powerplant it had. I will try to dig up that article and post it. The EVO's seemed to fair pretty well, so I am only to guess the" too heavy for powerplant" was the 2.3

Can anyone confirm this?

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Does it have to have a Grille to count as one????
That picture with the Porsche??? in the back ground, that is an Evo I or II?? can anyone tell? The rear wing could have been an after thought perhaps, I don't know for sure. What other tell tale features are predominate of an EVO I over a II?

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RE: sourcing photos of DTM 190E 2.3-16 cars

The M103 was the I6 engine of the day, so no, the Evos had the 2.5l I4's.
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RE: sourcing photos of DTM 190E 2.3-16 cars

what is the motoren designator for the EVO's M- ???
(got me interested, I wish I had an EVO, a local one Haunts me from time to time on the interstate on the way to work. He gets inches off my bumper and drafts off me. We have done this on and off for about a year now....we never met. He pulls along side me and we wave at each other, but I guess we both are too busy to stop and chew the fat (A shame really, I would like to look under his hood) So until that happens, all I can do is rely forum for info. Tell me more, I'd like to hear about the motors. Evo I and II, what was different about the two? how many variances are there of each?
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RE: sourcing photos of DTM 190E 2.3-16 cars

The 2.3-16 started as a Mercedes concept to re-enter international racing via the rally circuit and was originally designed to be a 320HP motor. With the ascent of Audi Quattro, Mercedes junked the rally project and recast the 2.3-16 as a sport sedan. Before it's official introduction at the 1984 Frankfurt Auto Show, it was sent to the Nardo track in Italy, where it broke decades old endurance records. Mercedes also sponsored a celebrity race between former and current F1 drivers in the 2.3-16 at the re-opened Nurburgring circuit, where Senna finished first.

The 2.3-16 was fielded by "privateers" not the factory and in 1986, the AMG sponsored team scored two DTM victories with the 2.3-16. In 1988, the AMG 2.3-16 scored 4 DTM victories. In 1989, Mercedes decided that the success with the 2.3-16 was encouraging enough to get back into circuit racing and partnered with AMG.

Mercedes, in 1989, introduced the purpose built Evo, with 502 units to qualify for the DTM and changing the engine to 2.5L to take advantage of the new displacment limit in DTM. AMG was hired to manage the "factory" teams and scores 7 DTM wins.

In 1990, the Evo II replaced the Evo. Again, only 502 units were built and Mercedes had no problem selling them all.

None of the 2.5-16 cars were ever directly sold in North America, including the Evo or Evo II, probably due to marketing and emission issues. All Evo and Evo II's were LHD, originally made in "blauschwartz" blue/black metallic and featured 4 wheel adjustable height suspensions. The engines in the Evos are specific to the car, not just a 2.5-15, and feature different pistons, con rods, cams, bearings, crank, electronics as well as upgraded brakes, suspension and of course, the bodyworks.
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