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If you can put aside your anti-social pride-full existence you'd realize that all i'm trying to do here is ensure occupant restraint systems function when most depended on. Not accept the industry leader's denial of acceleration-force on a frontal collision. That's not wishing to be 'wrapped in cotton wool'. Check again in Australia, last I remember it was still a free country (I have family there) which means the government isn't forced to dictate every single rule down to basic physics and common-sense still prevails.

Now you're calling my questions 'irrelevant'..... It's a shame when certain breeds of technicians are so full of pride they can justify making the statements you have as if just to get a reaction out of someone else. Unfortunately I've crossed enough of your kind to identify your predictable ways. It's unfortunate you cannot find something better to do with your time than to waste mine. Unless you're about to purchase an AMG or have any direct connection to this subject, it's appropriate that you move on. You're pride-full, judgmental, hate-full opinions aren't welcome or even useful here. I feel sorry for you that you haven't overcome that glitch in your mind that finds pleasure in slivering under peoples' skin. Especially when the outcome of what I'm seeking is either design-by-physics v. design-by-democracy, it's acceptable for a driver to have power over the effectiveness of occupant restraint systems (even if he's depending on it for survival), and that driver is thus 100% responsible for its performance. Since you see that as 'garbage' and 'irrelevant' then just go away. I don't even care for my own opinion so you're nuts if you think I'll regard yours, or let it bother me. I only care for facts, and perspectives supported by facts. Not people like you who get off on yourself.
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To all others - regarding the question if Mercedes-Benz adhered to safety-standards in their 2003 CL55amg the answer is not possible to produce just yet. We know at constant velocity in the IIHS 40% partial frontal offset and NHTSA 208 full frontal impact they do. We know that Mercedes-Benz has claimed 'acceleration has no affect whatsoever on the pulse of a collision nor the airbags' ability to timely deploy' and 'the deployment sequence occurs in a few milliseconds'. My crash test shows more damage/pulse at 36mph max accel. v. 40mph constant velocity IIHS 40% partial offset and the airbag deployment sequence takes a lot longer than 'a few milliseconds' at max acceleration. So Mercedes-Benz statements regarding acceleration are false. The differences between the 36mph & 40mph crash test data is currently being considered by the IIHS. I do not retain the 40mph crash test data nor the set force, timing and G's expectations of the IIHS 40% partial frontal offset test. Neither the NHTSA or IIHS standards dictate acceleration rates. So until a direct comparison of hard-results are made only a fool would answer 'yes' or 'no' to 95red's question. All I can say is "YES", Mercedes-Benz' statements concerning acceleration's affect on the pulse and airbag deployment sequence timing are false. And that's a serious issue given the fact it defines how their occupant restraint systems can be made ineffective with the application of acceleration upon impact. Exotic-powered vehicle manufacturers have historically been at the forefront of performance and safety innovations. Not designing based on minimum general guidelines while denying basic physics. I think it's sad that Mercedes-Benz is justifying why exotic-powered vehicle manufacturers need independent occupant restraint system performance standards dictated to them. That's a shame.

I'd like everybody to realize I didn't ask for this, had a great life before experiencing this, not even proud of this, but if someone in my shoes who's seen and experienced what they did with hardware still stuck inside his body doesn't attempt to do something about this then who will? Do you think Mercedes-Benz will willfully cease adopting their base model restraint systems into their AMG counterparts w/o any modifications? That concept costs a '$1' and even though there's $140,000 dollars involved, Mercedes-Benz will not willfully give up that '$1'. Imagine if Ferrari bought out Yugo and decided to use a Yugo's occupant restraint systems in an Enzo (or a Yugo w/an Enzo engine). In any world or country, that is just not appropriate behavior from an 'industry leader'.

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And again, you failed to answer the one simple question.

Its your life, waste it on pointless crusades as you see fit
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Deleted odd duplicate over lost internet connection. Good for you 95red, good for you. If anyone else has no regards for basic laws of physics then this thread is not for you.

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