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I here you about the legroom of the C as well as your story on the BMW.

I never even looked at them. They're not my style, and on top of that have been heavily discouraged from considering them. Mercedes is one of my most favorite Euro cars.
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Beside the point, I have taken into consideration how much people have spent on a CL65. Not just buying but investing altogether. I looked at Edmunds on their long term CL65 a few minutes ago. In over 12 months (a year basically), I've seen them spend about $11-12,000 on repairs. Only once out of that was a scheduled service. This was all done at the dealer as well. Im assuming if it was worked on at an Indy shop it'd be less? I actually received a DM on a local Trusted Indy shop close to where I live. I would have never known! Anyways, assuming that those are yearly costs to maintain this car, It wouldn't be so bad after my second to 3rd year of residency, though Im taking everyones suggestions at Face value. I'll try to contact the owner of this shop and see what he says.

I would not purchase this car from an independent owner. Id feel much safer buying it from any dealer that is qualified to sell Mercedes Benz cars. That seems more "practical" since I want every spec of the car to be factory original as can be. Do you know how much mileage would qualify to buy an extended warranty? Are there any other qualifications other than year of model? What Im planning to do is purchase the 2014 CL65 when I'm well into my 2nd-3rd year residency. That'll be about 6-8 years from now, when the car would most likely be low enough for me to buy if I choose to do that.

As for what I want in a Mercedes overall? I want what the cl65 gave me. Comfortable and luxurious interior, speed, performance, (It would ideally be a weekend car since the week is dedicated to work so efficiency is not too much of a worry), sporty exterior, good engine and trustworthy transmission (you said earlier it would be the least of my worries, so I feel more confident about that now) and a sporty exterior. AMG models in general have something very close to what I want. The only exception is the C-Class AMG models. For some reason those don't seem to move me well enough to buy. I did look into the E-Class range as I previously mentioned! My first choice before the CL, was the 08 E320. Was recommended that before from a friend in the past. I also saw the 2016 E63 a couple of months ago and was very smitten by how it felt. Didn't drive it, but felt like me. The E55 AMG I saw on youtube this morning and you couldn't be more right on how INSANE FAST it is. Didn't even know it was supercharged until I read about it. Definitely a contender!

So it boils down to this: I think what I have to do before I'm ready to choose and buy is test drive, pre-inspect, and research further all these options I have (2014 CL65, 2008 E320 bluetec, 2005-2006 E55 AMG, newer E63 AND E550). Then based on what my potential mechanic tells me is the best bang for the buck, I can make a move and enjoy. What do you think?
Keep in mind that the $11-12k of repair costs is done at dealer which typically has huge mark up. I wouldn't be surprised if $6k was spent only on spark plugs and coils, plus labor.

Buying a car at the dealer so it can be CPO depends on the dealer itself. Since all brand new cars have a 48 month/50,000 warranty, so any cars under this threshold would be classified as a CPO....if it passes the technician tests.

In some cases, the car could be older than that, provided the mileage is lower than 50k, and then you could buy extended warranty on it.


Since you're veering off to the high end performance vehicles and aren't afraid of potential expenses, then I would look at either:

CL55 AMG
SL55 AMG
E55 AMG
E63 AMG with twin turbo

Are you seeing a trend here....? All are forced induction -- The 55's are supercharged and the 63 is twin turbo. I say that because somewhere around 2000-2500 rpm, the supercharger/twin turbo kicks in and then the car literally flies. People decry these cars for the turbo lag, but the turbo lag is the best part about those cars.

You floor the car, car slowly moves, slowly moves, you wonder what's going on and then you get sucker punched. When you recover and look at the speedometer, you're already doing triple digits.

The bluetec is also the same as the 55's above. Huge amount of torque off the line, which is what you want for fast 0-60 time. Actually, just about any modern diesel with turbo will provide the same kick. BMW 335D, 535D are right next to E320 bluetec in terms of sucker punching you from 0-60. (I see you dislike BMW's, and you do have a valid concern...but don't be so quick to dismiss them.)

An amusing anecdote -- I spoke to a guy who drag races cars for fun (on the drag strip). He said that there's only three type of cars he never challenges to a drag race....modified jeeps, electric cars and modified diesels. When the drivers have to wear a neck brace, that's when you know shit's about to go down.

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Here's a CL55 I worked on months ago. You can see from 0 to roughly 45 it was fairly sedentary, and then suddenly when it shifted it woke up and it became real hard to hold the phone steady. In fact, I was hard pressed to even keep it pointed at the cluster, that's how much power it had.

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That remind me a trick BMW dealer did to my friend.
He stuck $50 bill to the windshield and gave the friend 3 seconds to grab it when he punched the throttle.
The dealer still has the bill.
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That remind me a trick BMW dealer did to my friend.
He stuck $50 bill to the windshield and gave the friend 3 seconds to grab it when he punched the throttle.
The dealer still has the bill.
I love to do that that to people with my track car. I only use a $10 bill. I am cheap.
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Keep in mind that the $11-12k of repair costs is done at dealer which typically has huge mark up. I wouldn't be surprised if $6k was spent only on spark plugs and coils, plus labor.

Buying a car at the dealer so it can be CPO depends on the dealer itself. Since all brand new cars have a 48 month/50,000 warranty, so any cars under this threshold would be classified as a CPO....if it passes the technician tests.

In some cases, the car could be older than that, provided the mileage is lower than 50k, and then you could buy extended warranty on it.


Since you're veering off to the high end performance vehicles and aren't afraid of potential expenses, then I would look at either:

CL55 AMG
SL55 AMG
E55 AMG
E63 AMG with twin turbo

Are you seeing a trend here....? All are forced induction -- The 55's are supercharged and the 63 is twin turbo. I say that because somewhere around 2000-2500 rpm, the supercharger/twin turbo kicks in and then the car literally flies. People decry these cars for the turbo lag, but the turbo lag is the best part about those cars.

You floor the car, car slowly moves, slowly moves, you wonder what's going on and then you get sucker punched. When you recover and look at the speedometer, you're already doing triple digits.

The bluetec is also the same as the 55's above. Huge amount of torque off the line, which is what you want for fast 0-60 time. Actually, just about any modern diesel with turbo will provide the same kick. BMW 335D, 535D are right next to E320 bluetec in terms of sucker punching you from 0-60. (I see you dislike BMW's, and you do have a valid concern...but don't be so quick to dismiss them.)

An amusing anecdote -- I spoke to a guy who drag races cars for fun (on the drag strip). He said that there's only three type of cars he never challenges to a drag race....modified jeeps, electric cars and modified diesels. When the drivers have to wear a neck brace, that's when you know shit's about to go down.
Got you. So in other words, I should just avoid getting repairs at a dealer. Other than service.

You're right about the hardships on getting a CPO. Cause most of the cars I looked at (especially the 55 models since they don't make them any more) have over 50,000 miles. So the CPO is out of the question.

Yeah I heard about people who would scorn the AMGs turbo lag, but as you said, its the meat of a sick ride. This I have seen a lot on the 2016 E63 biturbo AWD S. Im impressed with that car. As well as the cl55 you showed me. The e55 is awesome too, though like the cl55, I've seen way too many cars hit the 90-100,000 mile mark on the dash for sale. I have to start looking at the bluetec.

I have been into BMWS in the past. The first car I looked at was a z4. The only thing that gave me somewhat of a paranoia on these cars was reliability of transmission on end engine, considering I rode on one with a friend and the transmission gave out in the middle of a highway. Thankfully it was coasting the whole time till we found a gas station. You better believe he disposed it. But if the ones you mentioned are the complete opposite, then I may consider looking into them. I just have been there, heard this and that, and completely disregarded them. You know.

Onto your anecdote, you have to see this video on a tesla taking on a hellcat. This video proves the guy you spoke to was wise. Id never drag race an electric car after seeing that myself!!! Modified diesels, no brainer, modified jeeps, this is new to me lol

Quick question, are the cl55 and s55 neck and neck in terms of what we've talked about? Besides it being a 4 door I saw this guy around my street who said he'd take $30,000 for it. It has 43,000 miles on it and it is clean!! Just as it looked when it came out the dealer. He smirked at me when he said that though. I don't think he'll sell, but just curious since there could be another one out there one day just as nice as his.
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You know, don't dismiss the recent model 63 AMG's too. E63/S63/CL63, etc.

Anything bluetec shouldn't be discounted.

And about BMW's...well, they have about the same failure rate as before. They're really good cars....if you're leasing. If not, they're about the same as MB in terms of cost of ownership -- part cost and high repair bills. The variable valve (VANOS) alone is a headache for most.

$30k for a S55? You're joking, right? He was probably smirking because he expected you to refuse. Anyway, 2003+ S55's are about the same as CL55's -- as in they're supercharged. Older S55 were naturally aspirated and didn't make that much power.

About jeeps....well, this video should be enough, aye?


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You know, don't dismiss the recent model 63 AMG's too. E63/S63/CL63, etc.

Anything bluetec shouldn't be discounted.

And about BMW's...well, they have about the same failure rate as before. They're really good cars....if you're leasing. If not, they're about the same as MB in terms of cost of ownership -- part cost and high repair bills. The variable valve (VANOS) alone is a headache for most.

$30k for a S55? You're joking, right? He was probably smirking because he expected you to refuse. Anyway, 2003+ S55's are about the same as CL55's -- as in they're supercharged. Older S55 were naturally aspirated and didn't make that much power.

About jeeps....well, this video should be enough, aye?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtfklcA12do
Oh no no. I would never dismiss the 63s! The E63 old or new has been a fav of mine. Not as much as the cl65, but the second on my list for Mercedes is the E class. Isn't the CL63 the same as the S63? Are you referring to the S63 coupe or Sedan? Cause I know they stopped making the CL63 and basically labeled it the S class coupe. One of things I like about the CL63 is I believe it has launch control. So it can surpass a 65. I don't know if they implemented that on the S63 range.

Nope! I was not joking. But as you said, he probably knew I would pass easy.

That jeep.....how could it beat a porsche?!?!
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That jeep.....how could it beat a porsche?!?!
It cost more than a Porsche.
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That porsche in the video is a Porsche 911 S twin turbo. MSRP is $189,150...thats before options.

Yes, comparing stock jeep to stock porsche, even a 10 year old could predict the outcome. But after modification? That's a different story.

That jeep has twin turbo and all that jazz. I believe it was making roughly 1200 hp at the crank in that video. That porsche wasn't stock either, maybe 600 at crank?



Yes, the S63 has the same engine as the CL63 -- though you are correct that the new S-class coupe is just a rebadge CL.

I don't know about the CL63 having launch control and surpassing the CL65... the 65 is a heavier car, true. But any V12 vehicle has nearly all options as standard equipment, which Im reasonably sure includes launch control. This should be true on all S classes.

Sure, a 63 might be able to beat a 65 in 0-60 because it's lighter, but long distance the 65 is the clear winner. You cant argue with a V12 now, can you?
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