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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 12-01-2013, 05:06 PM Thread Starter
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Buying a car from Ulrich Soder - Germany

Hello everyone,

I write here to get advice from you on this problem.

A few months ago I start searching to import to Uruguay a 500SL R129 for my personal use.

I looked US, Japan and Germany.

Because I wanted a real German jewel I decided to buy a car from Ulrich Soder (Mercedes import. Export & BMW Import luxury cars Germany) who offers me a one owner 1992 R129 with 41k km on it for 25K USD.

I looked mobile.de, scout24.com and ebay.de and a well recorded low milage R129 was arround that price.

So I confirm the purchase and send the money.

When I receive the car at Uruguayan port, there was a problem with it, all papers, manual and records was in Japanese. He never write me about this. He said it was one owner car, no more. At any point during the negotiation he advert me about it was from Japan.

Japan imports in Germany are around 18-20k USD.

I wanted a German car, with German papers, and German use.

If I would like a Japan one would buy direct from there, and save some money. Cars in Japan like this are around 15K USD. Shipping is more so the real difference is about 8k USD not 10k.

So, I write this guy several times and he told me it was my mistake and I should know the market before I buy something.

I am very disappointed because I really wanted a German one, and paid more for it.

Car is in good shape, only a few things been done, nothing big.

But I have lots off papers in Japanese, and I don't want that. Also my official MB dealer and workshop does not recognize this Japan papers so it is a problem for me to continue the records.

So, please, can you make any advice on legal resources to solve this?, Is any way I can make a demand on it?, any way he at least give me return?

I will be going to Italy on January, so I am thinking giving him a visit, but I think it will be hard to control me and I can have some problems.

Watch out for this guy.

Thank you guys
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I don't understand what you are asking for?
Sounds like you like the car?
You expected more, but you did not get it, because you did not ask about it.
Frankly I understand your frustration, but than it is not like your car had odometer rolled down by 200,000 km, what is common in Europe.
I buy cars long distance for years. It is distance in US, but beside putting small deposit I never broke my policy of flying with money in hand to pick the vehicle up, or in case of buying expensive motorhome I transfer money to local bank and I gave the disposition after inspecting the vehicle.
You can leave bad feedback somewhere for the selling dealer, but other than that don't waste your life on remorse.
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The subject says "cheated", but it sounds like you paid Ulrich Soder to ship a car for you, and he delivered the goods. R129 in good condition with low kms, LHD, clear title. Made in Germany.

Would you rather have bought one that had clocked up more k's on the Autobahns?

I'm sure he will refund your money (less shipping costs) if you pay for return shipping.
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The subject says "cheated", but it sounds like you paid Ulrich Soder to ship a car for you, and he delivered the goods. R129 in good condition with low kms, LHD, clear title. Made in Germany.

Would you rather have bought one that had clocked up more k's on the Autobahns?

I'm sure he will refund your money (less shipping costs) if you pay for return shipping.
It was his car, he had it registered in germany.

Sold it to me.

Never said from 1992 to 2011 car was in Japan.

Please understand me, I wanted a german papers car, and didnt get one

That is taken some of my sleep
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...So, please, can you make any advice on legal resources to solve this?, Is any way I can make a demand on it?, any way he at least give me return?...
I think the seller was less than honest when he described the car to you. What did he expect from you in ordering a car from Germany? Should you have asked him if it was an export to any other country or should he have told you? Personally I think he should have made that clear.

I would speak with an attorney in Uruguay to see what your options are. As another poster stated you might be able to return the car to him but the return freight will most likely be your responsibility.

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IMO this is all on the buyer.

A car is easier to trace than parent that is in violation of US child support payment laws.
All it would have taken is one question to the seller or one call to Mercedes to find out where the car had been.

If the seller had lied about its time in Japan via an email or other form of writing than the OP has a legit claim on fraud. At this point he bought a car. Got a car and then realized he did not research the VIN.
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The thing I'd hate the most about buying a car that was in Japan would be you'd never understand what was playing on the radio . . .
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It might have the Japanese aftermarket Karaoke radio installed.
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Just wanted to share the answer of the seller about the problem

This is not kind for a costumer who just buy you a car....

Sebastian,



many classic cars going through different countries and if you can not read German, it is the same as you can not read Japanese, but everything can be translated –

important is that MB books / records are available and so history is with the car.



If you are too stupid to understand this, I can not help you



Mit freundlichen Grüssen / with best regards,

Ulrich Soder

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ULRICH SODER HANDELSAGENTUR e.K.

D 78239 Rielasingen-Worblingen / Germany

Tel. +49 / 7731-918991 Fax +49 / 7731-918992 soder@t-online.de

Reg. AG Freiburg HRA540757 ST-NR.DE142756336
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