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Stuck lugs

Anyone come across siezed lugs? I have a 97 E320 that has a few of them. I'm pretty much just try to get them out every now and then. At one point just about all of them siezed. Now I believe only 4, one 3 wheels. I think it had do with the car sitting most of the winter while I drove my Jeeps. I rounded off one little bit ago and had to drill it down to the ball to get the wheel off and then vice grip the pin that was left off. Once I get them out I never seize them and put them back in and torque them to spec. I've replace some with the replacement lugs from autohuas too. They seem to run out of them from time to time. Some actually bent at the shaft. I hear its common on the early 210's. I don't know what other series and models used the same ones. They're the ones with have the shaft in the middle then a bolt head at the end and they're harden steel and kinda long.

I'm looking for recommendations or ideas. I don't want to heat them with a torch and risk deforming the whell. I thought about hitting them with the welder at the ends to heat just bolt. A friend did that with a torx bolt that he stripped and when he welded a bolt on the end of the head it loosened the bolt up and it came right out.

I've hear that there is a tool, almost like an easy out but like a deep socket that will reverse thread on to the shaft part if the head is broken off, just like an easy out, and when it bottoms out will cause the lug to back out or break at the bottom of the bowl thus allowing the wheel to come off. Once the wheel is off then you can vice grip the "pin" thats left.

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There is a product that is an aresol can that freezes the lug and you spray on, wait the prescribed time and tap it with a small hammer. It has worked wonders for me at the small commercial service airport. Our runway and taxiway lights are exposed to year round weather and some aren't removed for years. Just discovered it this year and have not had to drill and re-tap a light base yet. Can't remember the name off the top of my head, but got it at a parts house. Just a thought. ??
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If you find out the name please pm me or post here. I'm at my whits end with these. What do you do in the aviation field ? I'm part time aviation.

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Operations Manager at a Cert 139 Commercial Service airport. Maintain all manuals, fed paperwork, project management, and maintenance of the airfield lighting systems and runways/taxiways. What do you do?
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airfranklin is quite right.

I have used the aerosol freezer spray to shift bolts that refuse to move by brute force. Three seconds of spray onto the bolt head - and it will turn!

This product is used by plumbers to freeze water in a pipe so that they can cut out a seized stop valve without isolating the service. Also, as an electronics engineer I've used it to discover which chip on a PCB is the one giving intermittent trouble. Far better than using heat on your lugs - that would expand the bolt, not shrink it. Places like Radioshack stock it.
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I'm an Aircraft Powerplant Repair (Helicopter Engine Mechanic basically) for the Army National Guard. My unit was out of a county airport before our deployment. TTN if you wanna look it up. Life was nice there. The state in its infinite wisdom decided to move all but 1 small aviation unit out of there to a Navy Air Engineering Station and replace us with a Combat Support and Stainment Battalion in our hangers while we were in Iraq... I don't see the logic there. I spoke with a few of the firefighters there, that's my full time gig elsewhere, and those guys are in the same union as me because they're county employees and not contract firefighters from Rurual Metro persay(another municpal airport uses RM and those guys can't be in the state firefighters union, the union benefits are where its at!) so they can be in the state union here in NJ. I thought about doing it part time there but the firefighters are actually maintainence guys there too. They plow and shovel snow, check lights and all that etc. I wouldn't mind doing that thou, I did that a few years back at another muncipal airport by me, LDJ. A good friends dad had the same position you have there. He always called me up to plow and blow snow. He just retired 2 years ago. Its kinda wierd because my first Guard unit was an Air Cav unit and it was originally organized at LDJ back in the 70's but was long outta there when I joined. When I worked there some of the old buildings that belonged to the guard were still there but crumbling apart.

Now like I said I'm at NEL. Not much goes on there. Its alot of nothing. The most exciting thing that happened there was the Hindenburg crashed and burned there and that was how long ago ?

Does your airport have firefighters there ? Or any army or air force guard or reserve units ?

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Doug, MB no longer sells lug bolts with the extended shank as a result of the problems you experienced. Best to get a complete set (20) of the shorter lug bolts with the proper thread engagement for your 1997 E320. I apply a light coating of Never Seize on lug bolt threads and never have a problem removing lug bolts torqued to 80ft/lbs. I use a 1/2" drive breaker bar and a 17mm deep well socket to loosen lug bolts. If any lug bolts are difficult to remove you may want to try a cheater pipe over the breaker bar.

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Doug, MB no longer sells lug bolts with the extended shank as a result of the problems you experienced. Best to get a complete set (20) of the shorter lug bolts with the proper thread engagement for your 1997 E320. I apply a light coating of Never Seize on lug bolt threads and never have a problem removing lug bolts torqued to 80ft/lbs. I use a 1/2" drive breaker bar and a 17mm deep well socket to loosen lug bolts. If any lug bolts are difficult to remove you may want to try a cheater pipe over the breaker bar.
Thanks Fred. I'm well aware they stopped selling them. I've already bought the replacement lugs from Autohaus, the shorter ones. One day I'll get the long customs with the long head, not with the shank. I always anti-seize everything. I just never had the tires off to do it. I tired air ratchets, long breaker bars, you name it. The shank on the heads are about to twist off. Aready twisted two off. I'm going to use the CRC Freeze Off and see what happens with the air ratchet first. Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

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