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Mark: Are you saying that your car feels better in snow when you turn off the ESP? Directional control and reduced wheel spin are supposed to be the big advantages of ESP...
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ESP works great if you have the right tires on the car. It is only when one has crappy tires that the ESP needs to be turned off. I had real problems trying to go up hills w/ the OEM all-season tires and had to turn it off to go anywhere, but since the winter tires I can go anywhere any time and the ESP is indispensable!

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ESP works great if you have the right tires on the car. It is only when one has crappy tires that the ESP needs to be turned off. I had real problems trying to go up hills w/ the OEM all-season tires and had to turn it off to go anywhere, but since the winter tires I can go anywhere any time and the ESP is indispensable!
I suppose you mean ESP needs to be turned off with crappy tyres when pulling off? ESP in my opinion is even more essential with crappy tyres once you get going and have gained good speed.
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I guess im in the market for new tyres..

Thanks for the comments.

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I suppose you mean ESP needs to be turned off with crappy tyres when pulling off? ESP in my opinion is even more essential with crappy tyres once you get going and have gained good speed.
No, that is not what I mean. But I did have to turn it off when trying to go uphill in snow when I had the OEM tires on the car. And I never had to turn it off w/ winter tires. The problem w/ the OEM tires is that they would lose traction when trying to go uphill on slick streets, and the ESP system would interpret that as the car going out of control and it would actually stop the car's forward motion, leaving me sitting helpless on an uphill slope. When I flipped off ESP the car would go again. The tires were so bad however, I often had to back down the hill and try again w/ ESP off--and it would eventually make it up most hills. But that learning curve was not only disconcerting, it was dangerous. That's when I switched to winter tires.

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If i went to Germany with my winter tires, my car wouldn't be road legal there..
Why? Do you have spikes in your tires?

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I believe spikes are illegal in the US. They destroy the roadways. From what I read, spikeless winter tires are as good as the spikes anyway.

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I believe spikes are illegal in the US. They destroy the roadways. From what I read, spikeless winter tires are as good as the spikes anyway.
Same reason in Germany. They were legal back in the days my mom said once! I think so too b/c I can only imagine they are good on ice but not in snow itself since snow is a soft material anyways.

In Austria and/or Switzerland they are legal as far as I know!

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I believe spikes are illegal in the US. They destroy the roadways. From what I read, spikeless winter tires are as good as the spikes anyway.
Not true, studs (same as spikes?) are legal in many states in the US for certain months of the year, typically Nov through March/April. each state has different laws. I know they are legal in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North and South Dakota, and Coloradio at the very least.

You can sure see the roadwear from them though, I wish they would either tax them heavily or ban them, since the studless winter tires are just as good or better based on my experience. Run studless on my E-420, I run studs on my 4x4 pickup, but only put them on the few days I need them for skiing or bad weather, takes less than 30 minutes to swap them out. I'll switch to studless tires next time, but studless tires in the size and load range (E) I needed weren't yet available.
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If you go to the Sierra on I-80 you can see road crowns several inches deep. Sometimes you can let steering wheel go and the car will follow the road tracks.
They are not due the spikes, that are not allowed here, but thanks to Caltrans (government business) that makes the drivers put the chains miles before white snow starts. Once I was forced to put chains on my motorhome. Driving about 9 miles wear the chains to the degree that several links broke off. Driving 80 psi wheels with chains over wet concrete is equivalent of stone grinding.
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