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putting a mercedes diesel into a ford crown victoria police car

i would like to implant a diesel into a late model ford crown victoria police car. i think the cummins is too heavy and loud. what other engine would be a good choice? i want to hot rod the engine for performance. i want it to really scream.

i thought about a 5 cylinder mercedes. i am not sure which mercedes engine is the best choice. anyone know the best of the best implantable mercedes diesel? what year and model of mercedes would i find it from? where could i find one? what performance upgrades could i do?

i want the performance to be wayyy better than the stock 4.6 gas engine in the crown vic.
the transmission in a ford crown vic police car is a 4r70w. bauman engineering makes a stand alone controller for the transmission. but how can i mate the mercedes to the tranny? is it possible to take the motor and a tranny to a machine shop and have an adapter made at a reasonable price? what should i do?

any other hot rod diesel engine choices out there?
i also want the engine to not be too..too heavy like the cummins is. and it has to be within the realm of affordability also. and the quieter the better.

how loud are mercedes diesel 5 cylinders compared to other engines?

i would possibly consider a jap diesel if its possible to have parts availability and performance upgrades etc....

the reason for choosing a ford crown vic is because...i want an affordable body and chassis. the ford crown vic is a full frame car. it handles well. suspension upgrades are available. its stealthy and looks like a sleeper. and if i am driving my hot rod at a fast pace...i wanna at least attempt to fool a cop that i meet that maybe my car is a cop car also. etc... plus..crown vics are plentiful. and if i make a good package out of the diesel crown vic combo...i can sell a few to a friend who has a taxi service. he can run biodiesel..or WVO.

ok...please give me some advice here! thanks!
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Do realize how much Crown Vics weight? Around 5500 pounds! So your chances of having a Diesel "hot rod" are very slim.

I once drove a 1996 E300 diesel that was dog slow and that was Mercedes' newer inline-6 six diesel pushing around a 3538 LB car!

So I couldn't imagine how a 5500 pound Crown Vic with the older inline 5 would move.
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In all respect, this is almost impossible, doable yes. You would need an entire engine trans package, motor mounts are probably doable, drive shaft can be machined, I dont know about the length of the engine because Crown Vics never were designed for a six cylinder. I dont know where you got handling from, the "interceptor" package makes them reasonably fast, but dont corner well at all. Ithink Audi was doing some grand prix work.
I would think swapping in a hot engine from Ford performance products would make sense. Diesel naaaa.

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In all respect, this is almost impossible, doable yes. You would need an entire engine trans package, motor mounts are probably doable, drive shaft can be machined, I dont know about the length of the engine because Crown Vics never were designed for a six cylinder. I dont know where you got handling from, the "interceptor" package makes them reasonably fast, but dont corner well at all. Ithink Audi was doing some grand prix work.
I would think swapping in a hot engine from Ford performance products would make sense. Diesel naaaa.
That is what I was thinking, or modding the stock 4.6 since there are are ton of after market parts out there.

For such an old design frame car Crown Vics handle pretty well, but not by any means sporty or anything.

Where they really shine is on highway speeds, very quit, smooth and you feel like you are floating over the road.

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i would like to implant a diesel into a late model ford crown victoria police car. i think the cummins is too heavy and loud. what other engine would be a good choice? i want to hot rod the engine for performance. i want it to really scream.

i thought about a 5 cylinder mercedes. i am not sure which mercedes engine is the best choice. anyone know the best of the best implantable mercedes diesel? what year and model of mercedes would i find it from? where could i find one? what performance upgrades could i do?

i want the performance to be wayyy better than the stock 4.6 gas engine in the crown vic.
the transmission in a ford crown vic police car is a 4r70w. bauman engineering makes a stand alone controller for the transmission. but how can i mate the mercedes to the tranny? is it possible to take the motor and a tranny to a machine shop and have an adapter made at a reasonable price? what should i do?

any other hot rod diesel engine choices out there?
i also want the engine to not be too..too heavy like the cummins is. and it has to be within the realm of affordability also. and the quieter the better.

how loud are mercedes diesel 5 cylinders compared to other engines?

i would possibly consider a jap diesel if its possible to have parts availability and performance upgrades etc....

the reason for choosing a ford crown vic is because...i want an affordable body and chassis. the ford crown vic is a full frame car. it handles well. suspension upgrades are available. its stealthy and looks like a sleeper. and if i am driving my hot rod at a fast pace...i wanna at least attempt to fool a cop that i meet that maybe my car is a cop car also. etc... plus..crown vics are plentiful. and if i make a good package out of the diesel crown vic combo...i can sell a few to a friend who has a taxi service. he can run biodiesel..or WVO.

ok...please give me some advice here! thanks!


If you want to hot rod a Crown Vic, go with Mustang performance goodies. Putting a diesel in a Crown Vic will mean monkeying with federal emissions parts. While most areas don't test, this will cause problems if you ever get caught. Making Mustang performance parts meet legal requirments is fairly easy. I just wonder what the extra weight in the front of a P71 Ford will do to handling. I've had one of these and they handle pretty well and have enough power if you know what you're doing to really scoot. Plus, unmodified, they are fairly immune to tickets.
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ok. i dont think its gonna handle like a corvette. i just mean..its a decent handling car for as large as it is. its big. safe. parts are plentiful. its proven. looks cool. and it would be cool to have a turbo diesel that gets good mileage and has lots of power under the hood. bauman engineering makes a stand alone controller for the ford automatic transmission. so all i need to worry about most of all is how to mate te back of the engine up to the ford automatic tranny.

so all of that being said...now....
what is the best engine for an application like this? what year or style? i want to hot rod the engine. an inline 5 cylinder mercedes? inline 6 cylinder? what models? etc....?
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the most bada$$ mercedes turbo diesel motor for a swap

what is the best turbo diesel engine for power and performance? what year of car did it come in? anything in particular to look for? i want to use a mercedes motor for a swap into another car.
what is the most reliable most awesome mods and setup that can be done on the engine. what horsepower numbers can i expect? i want a totally bada$$ mercedes diesel that is trouble free and can be driven coast to coast with no reliability issues.
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I have a P71 Crown Vic so you must be dreaming if you think you're going to get better performance with a small diesel engine. Add better cams or DOHC SVO/COBRA heads to the 4.6 and a bigger exhaust. A larger front swa bay is also available from ADDCO.

My advice, forget it.

It would be illegal as well since you need to replace the engine with one the same year or newer.

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I just love the topics where lot of replies come from people having absolutely no experience on the subject
Putting 1996-era diesel with 134 HP into Crown Victoria will not do it, but putting 300 HP diesel from Volkswagen would let you push some buildings around.
Check youtube for VW Tuareg towing 150 tons Boeing 747.
Leaving the dream part, the 174 HP 300dt or 201 HP 320cdi are very nice engines, but dealing with computers would probably take longer than swapping the engine and adding plate for the transmission.
In another words it would make very nice, but extremely expensive Crown Victoria.
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Putting 1996-era diesel with 134 HP into Crown Victoria will not do it, but putting 300 HP diesel from Volkswagen would let you push some buildings around.
Check youtube for VW Tuareg towing 150 tons Boeing 747.
Leaving the dream part, the 174 HP 300dt or 201 HP 320cdi are very nice engines, but dealing with computers would probably take longer than swapping the engine and adding plate for the transmission.
In another words it would make very nice, but extremely expensive Crown Victoria.

Riiiight, first find a V10 VW diesel engine. Even if you did, I could not imagine how much the seller would want for it. Besides the OP was referring specifically to Mercedes inline 5 engines.

Can it be done? I'm sure with enough $$ and determination it can. If someone can put an Audi V8 into an old Lotus Esprit, this can be done too.

However wouldn't it be just much cheaper and easier to just buy a used Touareg V10?
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