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CarFax and other " purchased and public" data information systems are well known for their limitations. These services certainly aren't reliable for older cars in states that didn't have complete DMV computer systems.

CarFax is a decent tool to track ownership, emission testing, odometer fraud and warranty or recall issues, but is unreliable when it comes to property damage or maintenance. I've come across more than a half dozen cars that I know were in accidents that have clean CarFax reports to this day because traffic accident reports, collision and autobody shops aren't part of their database.
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Interesting experience w/Carfax, thanks for pointing this out. Obviously Carfax has limited usefulness, mainly to trace number of owners, locations and dates. "Totaled" vehicles as reported for registration purposes should show up, but forget about seeing other accidents/damage.
You're welcome and I have told that story on here before. As I see it, the CarFax weakness lies in the many body shops that are not in their "network" and therefore do not report to them. As far as I know, the rest of their information (essentially what you mentioned) is accurate.

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I mentioned Carfax because I've seen posters on this forum that expect that they can get accurate accident history of vehicles from these reports.

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I mentioned Carfax because I've seen posters on this forum that expect that they can get accurate accident history of vehicles from these reports.
It's a common mis-conception and certainly worth mentioning. As I stated earlier, I was duped into thinking I had an accident-free car because of the report.

However, I think what upset me the most was that the dealer was dishonest by not disclosing that. They even had a body shop, so their body repair people should have gone over the car thoroughly before selling it to me. Heck, for all I know they did the work! Needless to say I stopped doing business with them.

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I posted this in the other thread.........Why would you start a new thread about the same thing??????????????????????

Guess I was spot on, huh?

*From other thread*
Wow, some of the responses here really make me laugh.

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Different paint thickness on purpose?

Are you people bodymen in real life or do you just play one on the internet?

A magnet will do absolutely ZERO for the paint thickness and will very rarely show any bondo except in the case of a huge amount. Even a thin refrig. magnet will go right through a professionally laid on filler.

Extra thick paint from the factory? That is hilarious. Cars are now and have been for years sprayed by robot to exacting standards. All panels get the same amount.

Aluminum panels needing more paint? Give me a break. The aluminum saves weight, period.

The average person will not be able to detect body repair that is even shoddy at best. A pro will detect even the best work as there are always signs, always.

The dealer will rely on a paint depth gauge to determine past body repair if it is good enough to the naked untrained eye.

Without seeing the car in question in person, I would say it was in some type of front end accident and there will be tons of signs, but for the OP, I would strongly take issue with the selling dealer. Carfax is a joke. Tons of accidents don't get listed and if the car was repaired for cash and not under insurance, it won't show either.
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Springbean- This is a case of I hope you learned a lesson. There is really nothing you can do at this point. Did you ever stop to think for a moment why this car wasn't CPO'd when you purchased it? As long as it was a newer model (which yours was), then that ALONE should have been a major red flag right there.

Seeing that you didn't inspect the car prior to purchase and entrusted the dealer 100%, you got screwed by your own stupidity on this one. Even a mechanic checking the car over during a PPI inspection would have seen this and called it to your attention.
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Why are so worked up? They have been very helpful.
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I posted this in the other thread.........Why would you start a new thread about the same thing??????????????????????

Guess I was spot on, huh?

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Wow, some of the responses here really make me laugh.

Magnets?
Different paint thickness on purpose?

Are you people bodymen in real life or do you just play one on the internet?

A magnet will do absolutely ZERO for the paint thickness and will very rarely show any bondo except in the case of a huge amount. Even a thin refrig. magnet will go right through a professionally laid on filler.
I think the magnet was to prove it the hood was aluminum or not, it had nothing to do with paint thickness

Extra thick paint from the factory? That is hilarious. Cars are now and have been for years sprayed by robot to exacting standards. All panels get the same amount. Paint does come thicker from the factory, and just like the poster said, it's only on certain parts of the car. I learned that from the authorized MB body shop owner that I spoke with today. And, yes, I know robots paint the cars, but that's just how it is.

Aluminum panels needing more paint? Give me a break. The aluminum saves weight, period.
Again, I think the poster was just throwing out ideas. No need to get your panties in a wad.


The average person will not be able to detect body repair that is even shoddy at best. A pro will detect even the best work as there are always signs, always.
In this case the average person could find the "signs" of a repaint, it was fairly obvious after I knew what to look for.

The dealer will rely on a paint depth gauge to determine past body repair if it is good enough to the naked untrained eye.
Also not true, experienced technicians rarely use these gauges anymore because of the materials that ars are made of (ie aluminum) That's why most reputable body shops will train their techs to "feel" for a repaint.

Without seeing the car in question in person, I would say it was in some type of front end accident and there will be tons of signs, but for the OP, I would strongly take issue with the selling dealer. Carfax is a joke. Tons of accidents don't get listed and if the car was repaired for cash and not under insurance, it won't show either.
Thanks for your help, but next time try to be a little less abrasive and condescending

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Why are so worked up? They have been very helpful.


Thanks for your help, but next time try to be a little less abrasive and condescending

Pssst, in case you forgot, this IS the internet.
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Pssst, in case you forgot, this IS the internet.
Yep and I'm getting sleepy.

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Why are so worked up? They have been very helpful.

Thanks for your help, but next time try to be a little less abrasive and condescending
Tell it like it is springbean! FWIW, I was the poster who mentioned the varying paint thickness and I knew what I was talking about (thanks to that Mercedes GM).

Also, I loved the "panties in a wad" comment of yours, I had not heard it quite like that. Here in West "By God" Virginia, it's "panties in a twist". Obviously, the same thing...

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