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Mmmmm, not much factual info on this topic here.

And I see no discussion of unique US standards for brakes (requiring certain maximum pedal pressure with braking assist failure), leading to soft pad materials as the method to meet regs. I read about this several years ago in one of the auto mags. I'd like to see an update on this topic.

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Only MB's have the facts and brake tests for the various pad/rotor
combinations in their development division. Anyone else is just
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Mmmmm, not much factual info on this topic here.

And I see no discussion of unique US standards for brakes (requiring certain maximum pedal pressure with braking assist failure), leading to soft pad materials as the method to meet regs. I read about this several years ago in one of the auto mags. I'd like to see an update on this topic.
Interesting. However, MB appears to use the same pads in the US as in Europe. But it still could be that the brake boost is stronger on MBs and then the brake force would become higher than on other cars at boost failure, asking for softer pads?
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I just figured out -- based on this and a few other threads -- that mlfun neither cares about these things nor wants an answer, s/he is just posting ridiculous items and links to stir things up. Now where did I put that "ignore" button?
That's the reason why i don't wanna click on this thread (just by reading the title), oh well too late now what ban button

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I have no issue with pad wear - but I really - really - really object to 3 sets of seized calipers and other related hardware crap in an 18 month old car
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MMMmmm. Again little factual information on this thread. And maybe the brake pads are same on Euro and US vehicles, but nobody seems sure. Mercedes brakes are certainly good, but not the best in the business. Porsche brakes are better and run cleaner, for example.

And many of us have heard about the electronic brake problems on E-classes a few years ago, not good....

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Interesting. However, MB appears to use the same pads in the US as in Europe. But it still could be that the brake boost is stronger on MBs and then the brake force would become higher than on other cars at boost failure, asking for softer pads?
Based on what I read I doubt the pads are same in Europe and US versions.

"But it still could be that the brake boost is stronger on MBs and then the brake force would become higher than on other cars at boost failure, asking for softer pads" - Exactly, that's the point of the article I read. The use of softer pads was the less than perfect solution to meeting US regs.

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I care only about the $$$ spent on the truck.
I post links and my claims but feel free to make your own educated nonbiased
opinions. It is my opinion that most of the forum members who passionately
support the brand and try to slam down any controversy are affliated with MB
in some way e.g. dealer, mechanic, parts supplier,collector etc. I posted direct
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Mere owners like myself only cares about the $$$$ spent on the means of
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Based on what I read I doubt the pads are same in Europe and US versions.

Any reference info supporting the idea of different pads?

I already referred to MB EPC, I cannot figure out a more reliable source (never know).
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MMMmmm. Again little factual information on this thread. And maybe the brake pads are same on Euro and US vehicles, but nobody seems sure. Mercedes brakes are certainly good, but not the best in the business. Porsche brakes are better and run cleaner, for example.

And many of us have heard about the electronic brake problems on E-classes a few years ago, not good....
Before I begin, please don't feel like I'm picking on you. It's just that some things you're posting appear to be less than accurate, or based on somethng I'm unaware of.

You said this thread had "little factual information". Threads are only as good as the posters. That's all of us - you too. Feel free to add the factual information you feel is missing.

As for Porsche brakes being better, allow me to supply a little "factual information". This thread was started by an ML owner, so lets compare the trucks built by Porsche and Mercedes-Benz. From 60 MPH, the ML63 stops in 119 feet. It takes the Cayenne Turbo 127 feet to stop from 60 MPH. But wait, there's more . . . . from 80 MPH, the ML63 stops in 209 feet. The Cayenne Turbo requires 219 feet. I can't say whether the Porsche brakes are "cleaner", but if by "better" you meant stopping distances, you are wrong.

If you meant a Porsche other than the truck, surely you weren't comparing sedans to sports cars, were you? If that's true, please allow me to use a Mercedes-Benz sports car as an example: The SLR stops from 60 MPH in 107 feet. That’s a shorter distance than the Cayman, the Cayman S, the Carrera 4S, the Carrera Turbo, the GT3 RS, and the Carrera GT.

The same is true from 80 MPH.

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