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2. We simply don't trust the car. It's unreliable and a money pit. If it has one more serious problem like this, we are just going to sell it and get another Subaru.
Don't think you have mentioned what other issues you have had on the car? A 2003 Subaru would probably have had some issues too, even if perhaps less than a typical W220.

Referring to another recent thread, I don't think it was completely fair to charge you the full diagnostic time, benzofreak might have done it in a quarter of an hour.
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I could be that the car has not been properly maintained in the past and that you are now paying the price. But I also believe that if you take care of the problems and get it on a proper maintenance schedule it will be very reliable and you might actually end up glad you have it.

Don't believe everything you think
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^^The previous owner (my father-in-law) bought the car new and was very careful about having all needed maintenance done. None of the things that have failed so far would seem to be affected by doing or not doing the proper maintenance anyway. The car is a lemon, plain and simple. W220s are known to be problematic, and we seem to have gotten one of the more problematic ones.

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Don't think you have mentioned what other issues you have had on the car?
We have had 2 different fuel system parts fail, and the previous owner had a big file of repairs: one of the airmatic struts repaired, the battery and a bunch of charging system parts replaced, a few other things.

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A 2003 Subaru would probably have had some issues too, even if perhaps less than a typical W220.
As it happens, my 2003 Subaru WRX has 50,000 miles on it (vs 30,000 for the S500) and has had exactly $0 cost to me for nonroutine work. It has had 2 CELs--both checked and cleared under warranty--, warped brake rotors replaced under warranty, and what I thought might be a wheel bearing noise checked and determined to be just noisy tires. The last item was not under warranty and not the original tires, but the dealer still did not charge me for the 30+ minutes various techs spent listening to it and checking the bearings.

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Referring to another recent thread, I don't think it was completely fair to charge you the full diagnostic time, benzofreak might have done it in a quarter of an hour.
Good point but I doubt there is much I can do about it except never go back.
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I hope you at least got the new chrome key
No matter how well it was maintained electrical is electrical.
The technology in the W220 is a little more than the Subi.
I'm sure the Subi doesn't have 50+ control modules.
The 2003 Is a good car. At least you didn't have a 2000 model.
Oh yeah my bike doesn't have problems either but them again there is no control modules.

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SHORT TEST, PERFORM..."No codes"
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, TEST / DETERMINE CONDITION
AMP DRAW CHECK (QUIESCENT), PERFORM 0.0
ELECTRONIC IGNITION SWITCH (EIS), R & R / REPL.
CONTROL UNIT - SOFTWARE (AFTER SHORT TEST), INSTALL
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^^Yup, that's basically what they did.

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I hope you at least got the new chrome key
No matter how well it was maintained electrical is electrical.
The technology in the W220 is a little more than the Subi.
I'm sure the Subi doesn't have 50+ control modules.
The 2003 Is a good car. At least you didn't have a 2000 model.
Oh yeah my bike doesn't have problems either but them again there is no control modules.
Nope; no new keys as far as I know. Speaking of which, the ergonomics of Benz keys are awful. In low light, it is impossible to tell the buttons apart. My Subi has a small blue button for "unlock" and a large red one for "lock." I can find the right button without even taking the control out of my pocket.

It's true the Subi doesn't have 50+ control modules. But it starts every time, is a blast to drive, is more practical, cost 1/4 as much, and almost never needs repairs. I'll take that over any number of control modules any day.

added later: Quite frankly I can live without most of the fancy gizmos in the S. The Subi is a model of ergonomic sense and simplicity: the controls are easy to use, intuitive, and do everything I need without complex control systems or modules.

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It had to be the diag that brought the cost up. That isn't a normal complaint plus if it's only happening when cold. That makes for a small window to do the diag. Don't give up on the car yet. You have a good one.
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^^It's not just the diag. time; the "green key" alone is over $500 and the warranty company is refusing to pay anything for that. The service advisor is going to try to convince them that it is a needed physical part (which it is) and not just "software." If it was just this one problem, it wouldn't bother me so much. But this is just the latest in a string of (often expensive) problems this car has had.

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Don't think you have mentioned what other issues you have had on the car?
I remembered a few more:
--driver's seat lumbar support doesn't work (I have to roll up an old shirt and put it behind my lower back)
--instrument panel brightness knob broken
--driver's side visor mirror cover keeps coming loose and flopping in frnt of me (not covered by extended warrant because it is "trim" so it is now held up with a rubber band)

All of these needless to say are hundreds of dollars each to fix.

I sometimes feel like I am driving a Hyundai instead of a Mercedes. Oh, wait, Hyundais are now better built and more reliable.
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I am not sure about your dealer but the green key is used to program the EIS and then returned to parts so you should not be charged for it.
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^^They seem to be claiming that it is something unique to the car that has to be custom-ordered from somewhere, possibly even Germany.
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