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What does 'over engineering' mean in relation with Mercedes old models? And how coast is related to such a concept? Why did Mercedes stop it?

Sorry ... Too many questions.

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Still no one knows ... LOL!
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They've been called over-engineered for decades now. Usually in comparison to other makes. For example the 600 had hydraulic, well almost everything. The windows were hydraulic, doors(?), the boot was too, (it opened AND closed by pushing the release button), and the suspension as well. There are many other examples too, especially in safety, with ABS, air bags, safety cells and even right down to the door handle design and catch release. They didn't just stumble across these ideas, they were worked on tirelessly, and continue to be, but only through extensive use of time and money. Therefore, 30 years ago, to get costs back they obviously weren't going to price it the same as a VW beetle. So of course costs were always going to be higher.
There's a recent add out that says at the start 'What goes into making a Mercedes Benz' then shows a montage of designing footage, crash testing etc, then at the end it says 'You have no idea'.
If you have to take apart your W123 then you'll realise. I know I did when I took apart my 450 SLC and compared it to a '96 Mitsubishi.
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Some things are not visible to bare eye. Presently W210 have common problem with window regulators. Plastic about 1" big slider breaks for no good reason. I went to junk yard and discovered that the exact slider was used in models 20 years old and didn't break. MB switched supplier, or materials and good, tested things start to fail. Take harmonic balancers, windshield pump grommets and some other stuff that is still original on 30-years old MB, but fails on 5-years old.
Than 30 years ago new MB monthly payment were equal with California mortgage payment. Right now average house in Bay Area is close to $2 mil...
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There was a thread recently about MB over-engineering. The majority in my opinion did not see over-engineering as having a lot of new and complex technical solutions in the car but more like dimensioning for reliability. If a ball joint or an engine is generally assumed to have certain life time, MB engineered it to last twice of that, as an example.

I don't mind if both interpretations are accepted.
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Here's some anecdotal stuff of arguably unneeded features
. reverse auto guide stick
. auto trunk handle eject
. auto rear wiper on reverse
I am sure others have more.
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Here's some anecdotal stuff of arguably unneeded features
. reverse auto guide stick
. auto trunk handle eject
. auto rear wiper on reverse
I am sure others have more.
You think that when you have the wipers on and you put it in reverse that the rear wiper shouldn't come on? Shit, I love that feature. That isn't so much engineering as it is just being inginuitive, and I definately like that feature, and the other small things that just make you go, this makes sense.
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There was a thread recently about MB over-engineering. The majority in my opinion did not see over-engineering as having a lot of new and complex technical solutions in the car but more like dimensioning for reliability. If a ball joint or an engine is generally assumed to have certain life time, MB engineered it to last twice of that, as an example.

I don't mind if both interpretations are accepted.
Engineered to last twice of that? I had a 1998 C230 that had it's engine mounts replaced at least 3 times within the four years that we had it...My 2002 E320 has had it's motormounts changed twice in 5 years. If having a bit of a rougher idle means solid rubber motormounts will last longer than an overengineered MB hydraulic motor mount then I'd rather have the solid rubber, which by the way seems to dampen the motor vibration much nicer in an Accord with a V6, than in my E320.
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Engineered to last twice of that? I had a 1998 C230 that had it's engine mounts replaced at least 3 times within the four years that we had it...My 2002 E320 has had it's motormounts changed twice in 5 years. If having a bit of a rougher idle means solid rubber motormounts will last longer than an overengineered MB hydraulic motor mount then I'd rather have the solid rubber, which by the way seems to dampen the motor vibration much nicer in an Accord with a V6, than in my E320.
Obviously your MB was not over engineered. Who said they all are.
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i cant really think up too much but its kinda strange my fog lights turn off just by turning off the headlights. no other car ive noticed does that.

and comparing a 1980 euro 280ce to a 81 us 280ce, the euro has two vacuum tubes comming out of the firewall, my us one has about six comming out that split up into 12... enough said for simplicity, it did exist, just very long ago.


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