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??? My 300CD doesn't have 4 doors, but it's a W123
I'm sure in that's case it would be a C123.
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??? My 300CD doesn't have 4 doors, but it's a W123
Obviously you have to complain about two missing doors at the next service

This W/S/C/R etc. code usage seems strange in the sense that is is very frequently used but the official MB technical documentation does not make use of it (where I have seen, EPC, WIS etc.) and it is neither intended for marketing/commercial use. Although I've seen like price lists where the dealers clarify with body the list applies e.g. when a body change is approaching (recently w204 versus W203).

Even the model guide of this forum does not make use of the W/S etc. codes. The only unambiguous notation is the 6 letter type/model code, like 221.112. Now this makes it difficult for me to figure out where a 124 car would be a W124, S124 or C124, except perhaps if I can find a figure showing how the car looks.

Even the numerical notation seems confusing but looks like they are getting more organized with that one, 221.1xx means LWB (officially V instead of W, but W221 is still normally used for both types), 211.2xx is a station wagon.

Perhaps the mystery is intentional from MB, owners get caught hunting detailed information about the brand...
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Its an interesting thread but the only way to identify the car is via the VIN number. Especially the first six digits, Remeber that MB have changed their thinking over the years - so this is a subject that could go on forever. Now check out VW and it means volks wagen (peoples car) that has not changed. Really to understand the meaning of class/model you would need to research MB history (sorry its a boring subject for me) just give the first six letters/digits and the car is identified.
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Its an interesting thread but the only way to identify the car is via the VIN number. Especially the first six digits, Remeber that MB have changed their thinking over the years - so this is a subject that could go on forever. Now check out VW and it means volks wagen (peoples car) that has not changed. Really to understand the meaning of class/model you would need to research MB history (sorry its a boring subject for me) just give the first six letters/digits and the car is identified.
Are you not referring to the "E on the E-class", i.e. the commercial identification? I guess the W-designation has also changed over time but it has been a lot more stable than the commercial naming.

VIN for sure is the easy way and likely the only way that covers all cars with absolute certainty but I wouldn't see it the only way for quite a number of models.

Sorry to say but this may be interesting for MB enthusiasts like the person originally asking, likewise for myself even if it would be boring to you.

The VW stuff is boring to me, and I think that is quite allowed in this forum (but we don't expect all to be interested about the MB letters, let everybody have their own opinion).
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Are you not referring to the "E on the E-class", i.e. the commercial identification? I guess the W-designation has also changed over time but it has been a lot more stable than the commercial naming.

VIN for sure is the easy way and likely the only way that covers all cars with absolute certainty but I wouldn't see it the only way for quite a number of models.

Sorry to say but this may be interesting for MB enthusiasts like the person originally asking, likewise for myself even if it would be boring to you.

The VW stuff is boring to me, and I think that is quite allowed in this forum (but we don't expect all to be interested about the MB letters, let everybody have their own opinion).
I would love to give you an accurate answer on this, but it would need a huge amoun of research and history comes into it, Benz is an old company. I have to work something like 12 - 14 hours a day and I simply dont have time. For me the technical aspects of fixing the car is all and who gives it a W or S or C or E or R is simply not important. Sorry for my reply (but I did say this is boring). Now im going to remove myself from this thread.
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??? My 300CD doesn't have 4 doors, but it's a W123

It's a C123.

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I guess the W-designation has also changed over time but it has been a lot more stable than the commercial naming.

VIN for sure is the easy way and likely the only way that covers all cars with absolute certainty but I wouldn't see it the only way for quite a number of models.
I was also interested in whether one sees variations in body style within a W designation. W124, for example. If anybody had a picture, or could point me to one in the archives here, I would be grateful.

Sorry some find this thread boring. I think anything that adds to learning about our shared enthusiasm is of interest, but perhaps that's just me.

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I was also interested in whether one sees variations in body style within a W designation. W124, for example. If anybody had a picture, or could point me to one in the archives here, I would be grateful.

Sorry some find this thread boring. I think anything that adds to learning about our shared enthusiasm is of interest, but perhaps that's just me.
What do you mean by variations?
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What do you mean by variations?
I guess the best way is for me to show you front and rear of my W124.

You've got squareish lights and a sloping grille and front.

The rear has diagonal bootlid lines adjacent to the tail lights.

So, if you look at all the models that fall under 'W124', do they all look like this?




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I guess the best way is for me to show you front and rear of my W124.

You've got squareish lights and a sloping grille and front.

The rear has diagonal bootlid lines adjacent to the tail lights.

So, if you look at all the models that fall under 'W124', do they all look like this?



Ah, gotcha. Most of the time they will.

But facelifts (look up a 1998 ML320 and a 2005 ML500 to see what I mean by facelift) will make it look different.
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