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will it be able to compete as fas as handling & driving experience?? I'm not so sure.
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will it be able to compete as fas as handling & driving experience?? I'm not so sure.
What you said. I'm not sure if people are ready to shell out $100k for a Lexus super car. We're not sure how well they can do with handling and performance. We haven't seen any model from them that can handle as well as their German counterparts. Maybe they're going to surprise us, who knows?

I think in order for people to take the LF-A seriously, the IS-F will have to do spectacular to show that Lexus really can build a fast, well handling car.
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What you said. I'm not sure if people are ready to shell out $100k for a Lexus super car. We're not sure how well they can do with handling and performance. We haven't seen any model from them that can handle as well as their German counterparts. Maybe they're going to surprise us, who knows?

I think in order for people to take the LF-A seriously, the IS-F will have to do spectacular to show that Lexus really can build a fast, well handling car.
People are just unaware that Toyota/Lexus can build a very good sports car.

If you look down their history, there was the 2000GT which was phenomenal back in the day and still is.

Then there was the original RWD Celica GT which was built to compete with Nissan's hotcake Datsun.

Next came the ever so famous Supra which carried through the mid 1990s and is considered Toyota's greatest work, next to the Sprinter Trueno/Corolla Levin, which is popular because of its lightweight RWD setup in which many cars in its class were FWD. Today, you have can't find a Twin-Turbo 1990s Supra for less than $30k second hand.

The original Lexus SC was a Supra in a tuxedo with a Straight-6 NA like in the Supra except the Supra was FI, and a 4.0 liter V8 pushing out 275ish bhp.

Then there was the Toyota MR2.

Toyota also built a really good LeMan car, the GT-One that led a few victories.

I know I'm mainly talking about Toyota...but it's the parent company of Lexus. Either way, they can make a sports car and they know how to...just like many people think of Honda as an economy car maker when they forgot that they made cars like the class leading NSX and cars like the Integra Type-R which is dubbed the best FWD chassis and handling car ever, and the S2000.
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The NSX was a sports car. The S2000 too. The Supra? Puuuuleeez. You've GOT to be kidding. I believe people clamor for the fourth gen Supra for the same reason they do GNX’s – they’re extremely fast in a straight line.

Supras are GTs. As a GT, it's a fine car, but they don’t come close to handling as well as German sports cars – IE Porsches. In fact, Supras don’t handle as well as CLKs. Supras push like a semi. The original Lexus SC was heavier, slower, AND handled poorly. The Celica? It wasn’t even a pretend sports car. What was it that Toyota called their Celica? A “GT”. The MR2 was a sports car, but that was the last one Toyota built in at least almost 40 years.

I don’t want to speak badly about the GT-One, but do you know the history of that car? Wasn’t it originally built for the FIA GT series? What happened the first year Mercedes-Benz joined the FIA GT? The Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR won the championship. What happened the second year Mercedes-Benz participated? The Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR won the championship. What happened in year three? Every other competitor including Toyota quit because they publicly stated they couldn’t compete with the CLK-GTR. That's why the series folded.
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Well if it's just in the $100K range it's not a supercar, or a very cheap one. And the celica GT4 was just a turbo 4WD to make homlogation for rallying.
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The NSX was a sports car. The S2000 too. The Supra? Puuuuleeez. You've GOT to be kidding. I believe people clamor for the fourth gen Supra for the same reason they do GNX’s – they’re extremely fast in a straight line.

Supras are GTs. As a GT, it's a fine car, but they don’t come close to handling as well as German sports cars – IE Porsches. In fact, Supras don’t handle as well as CLKs. Supras push like a semi. The original Lexus SC was heavier, slower, AND handled poorly. The Celica? It wasn’t even a pretend sports car. What was it that Toyota called their Celica? A “GT”. The MR2 was a sports car, but that was the last one Toyota built in at least almost 40 years.

I don’t want to speak badly about the GT-One, but do you know the history of that car? Wasn’t it originally built for the FIA GT series? What happened the first year Mercedes-Benz joined the FIA GT? The Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR won the championship. What happened the second year Mercedes-Benz participated? The Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR won the championship. What happened in year three? Every other competitor including Toyota quit because they publicly stated they couldn’t compete with the CLK-GTR. That's why the series folded.



The latest SUPRA before they stopped making it actually outhandles a ferrari.
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The latest SUPRA before they stopped making it actually outhandles a ferrari.
any ferrari? did you actually test drive them?
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The latest SUPRA before they stopped making it actually outhandles a ferrari.


The "latest Supra"? Really? You must mean one that no independent handling specs are listed on because they stopped importing them. You couldn't mean the 3600 pound - U.S. spec - fourth generation. THAT car out handles a Ferrari? Well, we might have to agree to disagree – unless we can agree what "out handles" actually means, which Supra you're actually talking about, and exactly which Ferrari you mean.

Using the slalom speeds recorded by Road and Track, on a standard 8 cone slalom (eight cones placed 100' apart) the 1994 Mk IV Supra recorded a radar gun verified 66.1 MPH. Do you really want me to print the numbers for the entry level Ferrari, the F430? I'll give you some hints – the current Mercedes Benz C350 is faster at 66.4 MPH (June 2006 Road and Track), as was the 1998 SLK230 at 67.3 (Motor Trend December 1998 – Long Term Wrap Up issue). Those two Mercedes are obviously slower in acceleration than the Supra. Where do you think they made up the difference? "Handling". If you're familiar with slaloms and think I'm playing games with the cones, look up the Cartech specs for a 1993 Supra on a 700' slalom - 61.6 MPH. Compare that against the March 1999 Road and Track Road Test edition that showed the SLK230 at 64.1 MPH in a 700' slalom.
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People are just unaware that Toyota/Lexus can build a very good sports car.

Ok...

But will people be willing to spend over 100k on this one?
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any ferrari? did you actually test drive them?
Hi, I am looking for some info for my CLK AMG and was reading on some of your guys funny post



you really think just because its a ferrari (any)that it cant be beat? wow what a mind set, lol


I have an Evo8 also, and it'll kill my AMG....the other day I have already beating the new M5 on track
Video - evo vs lambo


anyways here video of what a super can do
Video - Supra movie I've put together. Hope you like it. Enjoy!

and if you used the seach you can find super running track times

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