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Actually, what will be happening is the new satellite system. A private company is going to use satellites in 2009 to connect to our cars. You can retrofit an older car and you can sign up a new car. Being on that satellite system, your car's computers will connect to their computers while being tracked by satellite. Think of OnStar but with two-way communication. If your Check Engine light comes on, they can diagnose through the satellites. If you need a reflash, the satellites will do it while your driving. Music/TV/etc will be on-demand as will GPS mapping. It's coming.

The downside? They know where you are, where you're going, and what you're doing when driving. Seems to me I like my older Benzes more and more.
Then maybe we could give Osama Bin Laden a brand new car in a sweepstakes drawing. We would finally know where he is.
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Even if this technology comes come to pass, how long would it take for the info to circulate the net on how to circumvent with the technology? A few days? Maybe less?
Yes, you are right. There are no on/off switch for the TeleAid system parse. But the choice to use it or not is up to each owner.

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As described elsewhere, in the future, we may even get a break on premium if we let the insurance company monitor our driving.
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This tax has been talked about in our state as well. Here is how it would work here:
When you renew your tag, the clerk will look at your odometer and log it, comparing it to the last time you were there. They would then charge you a tax based on the miles driven beyond what they determine to be 'average'. What is broke about this idea is that if the guy is, let's say, an on the road sales person or a person who travels to see a sick relative, they will be paying their state taxes for miles driven on other state's roads. Not a fair way to judge taxes since you are already paying gasoline tax that covers your usage of fuel.

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Not a fair way to judge taxes since you are already paying gasoline tax that covers your usage of fuel.
That is precisely what renders this concept completely ridiculous. They try that crap here, and I'll scream bloody murder -- and so will a lot of other folks.

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I thought that the concept was to track road usage at particular times of day, so that taxes could be levied based on time of use, not miles. That way, Big Brother can add an incentive for people to NOT drive during rush hour and hopefully reduce congestion and avoid building more roads.

I agree that adding tracking systems to everyone's car is too invasive and will likely be foiled by the creative immoral. Totally getting off topic, 'Laws' like this that erode our basic liberties have a very corrosive affect on society, which is causing freedom-loving people to consider breaking these 'laws' in order to maintain freedom from an oppressive government. The problem is that once an individual makes the decision that he knows better than government which laws are just and which aren't, and begins breaking the unjust laws, he has begun a journey down a slippery slope...

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That is precisely what renders this concept completely ridiculous. They try that crap here, and I'll scream bloody murder -- and so will a lot of other folks.
From what I understand about this 'tax' in our state, it's original purpose is to tax persons who own hybrid vehicles that get 50 - 75 mpg. They reason that they are losing out on gas tax revenue to persons who drive these cars since they think they put the same amount of wear and tear on the roads and highways.

I sometimes wonder if the creative ways to tax people will ever end and how long people will put up with this shit.

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ODOT (Oregon Department of Transportation) has been testing a new system that will track the actual miles driven in Oregon and then tax the owner when he/she uses the gas pump. It uses a global positioning satellite and a device in your car that transmitted the data. The yearlong test did show several glitches, so it is not yet ready for prime time. Other states have been watching this test.
The Oregon's 24 cents a gallon is the primary source of money to build and maintain roads, the rate has stayed the same since 1993, an increase has been voted down by the voters several times. The newer efficient cars are getting better MPG so the tax revenues (so ODOT is saying) cannot keep up with the increasing cost of asphalt, steel and other materials. Other factors are, Portland has a new light rail system and a very new street car system, plus more hybrid cars are sold in Portland than any other city. This new test system used 1.22 cents a mile figure, also the state says that no private information is recorded (prying into your whereabouts), however the 250 testers where told that they could get subpoenaed in a criminal investigation. Slow down, the GPS system is going to get you!

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As described elsewhere, in the future, we may even get a break on premium if we let the insurance company monitor our driving.
I'd rather pass on the discount than allow my insurance company to monitor my driving and location. Not that I'm some danger to society or have anything to hide, but I value my personal liberties more than any discount they might provide.
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I'd rather pass on the discount than allow my insurance company to monitor my driving and location. Not that I'm some danger to society or have anything to hide, but I value my personal liberties more than any discount they might provide.
Yes, with more and more people in this world, personal liberty is getting harder and harder to come by. I wouldn't let my insurance company monitor my driving too.

There was a big uproar over RFID in California Legislature and yet I usually have 2 to 3 of those in my pocket.
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