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...Besides, for goodness sake, there is more to buying a car than just reliability. Cars are not fridges and washing machines....
This is priceless, and I've said something similar on these forums a few times. If I want a toaster or a microwave, I'll pay attention to what CR is saying about them. Car reviews are better left to the auto experts like Road & Track and Car & Driver.

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According to the article, C-Class owners "griped" about electrical issues. Let's look at some of the other manufacturers: Hmm, more than half the 2004/2005 Nissan/Infiniti Titan/Armada owners were reporting brake problems . . . . . . BMW was tagged as having an engine with the worst cooling problem involving 34 percent of it’s owners . . . . . . . . 25 percent of the owners of a certain Acura reported a "bad transmission problem" . . . . . . . . . and nearly the same percentage of a certain Volvo reported fuel system problem. Percentages that high point to design flaws rather than "a bad apple or two". Next to the "can’t stop-overheating-won’t shift-gas issues" crowd, the electrical gripes don't seem so bad.

I'm not trying to sway anyones opininon of MB. Those who are dissatisfied with Mercedes-Benz may wish to consider purchasing something that satisfies them. Why should one torture themself when CR says there are so many "good" new vehicle choices available? CR recommends the Lincoln Zephyr, Buick Lucerne, and the Hyundai Azera.

Lastly, if the Germans use Mercedes-Benz taxis because of their loyalty to Germany, why are they used in Israel?
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This is priceless, and I've said something similar on these forums a few times. If I want a toaster or a microwave, I'll pay attention to what CR is saying about them. Car reviews are better left to the auto experts like Road & Track and Car & Driver.
I agree that CR should get out of the car review business! But I have consistently found their reviews of home appliances such as TVs, toasters, washers, etc. to be off the mark based on my own experience. In some cases way off the mark--literally the exact opposite of my hands-on experiences. I really don't know how they have stayed in business all these years, but I think it is because no one else does what they try to do. As you say, R&T, C&D, and I would add Polk and Power to that list, do a good job of evaluating cars because they know car. But there aren't really many specialist in the individual home appliance categories. So CR tries to "know all things about all products..." And they fail! IMO

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I agree that CR should get out of the car review business! But I have consistently found their reviews of home appliances such as TVs, toasters, washers, etc. to be off the mark based on my own experience. In some cases way off the mark--literally the exact opposite of my hands-on experiences. I really don't know how they have stayed in business all these years, but I think it is because no one else does what they try to do. As you say, R&T, C&D, and I would add Polk and Power to that list, do a good job of evaluating cars because they know car. But there aren't really many specialist in the individual home appliance categories. So CR tries to "know all things about all products..." And they fail! IMO
I agree that Power and Polk are good sources too, thanks.

We are on the same page Jayhawk. My sister had an experience with a clothes washer/dryer set that was a CR recommended one; she had nothing but trouble with both of those. Maybe she just bought a set of lemons, but both of them - who knows?

I also agree that one organization cannot possibly "know all things about all products" so IMO, their member adherents would be better off if CR began limiting their scope and funneling their resources toward home appliances and Zip-Lok baggies (and certainly leave the automobiles alone). Those car reviews have to be costing them a lot of money better spent elsewhere.

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I agree that Power and Polk are good sources too, thanks.

We are on the same page Jayhawk. My sister had an experience with a clothes washer/dryer set that was a CR recommended one; she had nothing but trouble with both of those. Maybe she just bought a set of lemons, but both of them - who knows?

I also agree that one organization cannot possibly "know all things about all products" so IMO, their member adherents would be better off if CR began limiting their scope and funneling their resources toward home appliances and Zip-Lok baggies (and certainly leave the automobiles alone). Those car reviews have to be costing them a lot of money better spent elsewhere.
Good points! At this point I'd be happy if they just got out of the car business. And I will use their reviews of other items as a reverse-indicator for my buying decisions.

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Good points! At this point I'd be happy if they just got out of the car business. And I will use their reviews of other items as a reverse-indicator for my buying decisions.
You can't mean that. Say it ain't so! You're not going to run out and buy a Lincoln Zephyr?!?! Oh yeah, that's right. The Zeph was discontinued. Of course the Hyundai is still available . . . . . . . . . .

Personally, if it's a choice between Hyundai and a bus, public transportation wins.
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You can't mean that. Say it ain't so! You're not going to run out and buy a Lincoln Zephyr?!?! Oh yeah, that's right. The Zeph was discontinued. Of course the Hyundai is still available . . . . . . . . . .

Personally, if it's a choice between Hyundai and a bus, public transportation wins.
I said they should get out of the car review business, and that I would use their other reviews as a reverse-indicator for my buying decisions.

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I said they should get out of the car review business, and that I would use their other reviews as a reverse-indicator for my buying decisions.
My attempt at wit was a failure. Although CR finds them to be in the "best buy" category, the Zephyr, Lucerne, and Azera have no appeal to me. To me, those cars are to transportation, as the baloney sandwich is to sustenance.
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Good points! At this point I'd be happy if they just got out of the car business. And I will use their reviews of other items as a reverse-indicator for my buying decisions.
J, we have been using your reverse indicator logic for quite a while now. I see a pattern. :-)

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I said they should get out of the car review business, and that I would use their other reviews as a reverse-indicator for my buying decisions.

I find it comical in how you can't see that CR reviews for long-term reliability are credible.

You can't leave long-term reliability testing to car magazines. They only evaluate on cars from their first impressions over only the course of several days. Yea, some magazines may feature some long-term testing, but do they do it for every single car? Do they take surveys over a large mass of people who buy products and then evaluate on that? Car magazines don't do reviews like that. They're mainly supposed to comment on the actual good and bad aspects and features of a car: performance, practicality, and ergonomics etc. They don't comment and evaluate the long term of owning the cars.

In addition, I find car magazines to be more performance-oriented in terms of evaluations where as CR is more best value for money (I'm short on words right now, I just came back from a mid-term). CR appeals more to people who don't car about names and performance when it comes to cars, given everyone's example about the Hyundai Azera, Lincoln Zephyr, Buick Lucerne. They appeal to people who want sensible and reliable transportation and don't care about going fast in a straight line or in a corner, or what degree of quality/refinement is better in a make or what not.

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