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I guess for the most part. I agree with the fact that BMW's are for more spirited drivers and Mercedes are more for comfort. I remember the day my Dad finally switched to an E-class from his 5 series BMW. He told me he just wanted a comfortable ride. Which is probably why you see more "older" people with Mercedes than BMW's. After a certain age, many people just don't care about "connecting" with the road anymore.
And although I haven't driven the higher end cars like Marcus had (of course certain high end AMG cars would be spirited and connected with the road as well, though the E55 felt much "floatier" than the m5). For the most part, The "lower end" cars (325, 330, c230 c320, 530, 540, e320, e430, e500, 740, 750, S430, S500) mostly favor BMW's as far as driver connection with the road is concerned.

I myself am looking for an E-class now. I'm only 26. Why? I had M3's, 330ci's etc etc and I'm getting tired of feeling the road. I just want a cruiser that rides comfortablly. I don't drive hard anymore. I've done my share of autocross and a few track days (which btw I tried the lower end mercedes' before and they didn't handle as well as the equivalent bmw's) and that's enough for me for now. I think I'll probably go back to an M3 if I ever hit my mid-life crisis. Or possibly go Porsche then if their DSG system is out in full force.

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WHAT - no SLR ??? Hmm, I suppose you incuded that as a "many more" after all...

Haha, impressive list there Marcus!

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I don't know how I missed this earlier. I've never driven an SLR, let alone been permitted any track time. Ditto for any Maybachs. We'll see what this year brings.
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I have one of each in my garages and they live together in peace

Who is to say which is better than the other? They both do their jobs equally well and I wouldn't do without either of them.
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I have one of each in my garages and they live together in peace

Who is to say which is better than the other? They both do their jobs equally well and I wouldn't do without either of them.

I agree. I have an old 7 series and a w140. I enjoy driving both for different reasons. Looks & presence wise, it's all about the Benz. People love that car. But as far as driving experience, that old Bimmer still gets down with the best of them...
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I agree. I have an old 7 series and a w140. I enjoy driving both for different reasons. Looks & presence wise, it's all about the Benz. People love that car. But as far as driving experience, that old Bimmer still gets down with the best of them...
Well said trimaster! Mine is a '02 330D, hers is an '01 A-160. Love them both.
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The real question is, what does BMW have to compare to those 700hp MB monsters? talking about the AMGs, i would love to see 0-60 times, 1/4 miles, and to the guy who said he will bring his z8 out, are you for real? because most AMGs will eat your 400hp BM for lunch. i'm on my 7th benz and i will never even think of owing a BMW, whatever model, i work at an all german shop and BMW new and old come in on a daily basis with electrical problems.
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The real question is, what does BMW have to compare to those 700hp MB monsters? talking about the AMGs, i would love to see 0-60 times, 1/4 miles, and to the guy who said he will bring his z8 out, are you for real? because most AMGs will eat your 400hp BM for lunch. i'm on my 7th benz and i will never even think of owing a BMW, whatever model, i work at an all german shop and BMW new and old come in on a daily basis with electrical problems.
I don't really think all of the AMGs would beat a BMW Z8 cause to my knowledge all of the mercs are a lot heavier. The lightest late model mercedes to my knowledge is a C230 which is around 3400lbs while some of the more beastly AMG models weigh in at around 4900lbs(the S65). So for each extra pound, it takes more power to to accelerate and wider tires to turn. The Z8 comes in at a comparitively light 3500lbs.

And I have to agree, BMWs aren't the best when it comes to electronics. I think there was even a recall for certain models for some electronic part that had a chance of overheating and causing fires.
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In a “step on the gas ‘n go” type acceleration contest, weight doesn’t always play as big a part as one may think. Seven years ago, BMW was selling Z8’s for close to $130K. According to Car and Driver, the Z8 ran a 4.5 zero to sixty and 13.0 at 111 in the quarter. http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/3154/preview-test-bmw-z8-page2.html Those were good numbers at the time, but that was a long time ago.

My favorite Mercedes that I hope never to be involved in having to pay maintenance on is the SL600. At a current list of $133K, it’s a steal next to the Z8. It’s not an AMG, and is almost a half-ton heavier, but according to that same Car and Driver it runs 3.6 zero to sixty and 11.9 at 120 MPH in the quarter.
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/8893/short-take-review-2005-mercedes-benz-sl65-amg.html

The CLK63 convertible is heavier than a Z8, but it runs a 4.2 zero to sixty and 12.5 at 116 MPH in the quarter.
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/12039/2007-mercedes-benz-clk63-amg-cabriolet.html

The E63 is also heavier, but it runs a 4.2 zero to sixty and 12.6 at 115 MPH in the quarter.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/12147/mercedes-benz-e63-amg.html

I couldn’t find a C&D 0-60 time for the E63 wagon (Mercedes Benz claims 4.3), but C&D says the wagon does 12.5 at 115 MPH in the quarter. As expected, the wagon is heavier, but it does weigh less than an SL600. Is it just me, or does the thought of jumping on the loud pedal an AMG wagon bring a smile to everyone's face?
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11969/2007-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-wagon.html

The CLS63 runs a 4.1 zero to sixty and 12.6 at 114 MPH in the quarter.
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11885/2007-mercedes-benz-cls63-amg-specs-page2.html

The SL65 runs a 3.8 zero to sixty and 11.9 at 123 MPH in the quarter.
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/8893/short-take-review-2005-mercedes-benz-sl65-amg.html

Aside from the R63, those were the only C&D numbers available for AMG’s. Speaking of the R63, the Z8 can outrun one in a zero to sixty sprint. Barely. 4.5 versus 4.6.

Lastly, unless I’m mistaken, the SLK weighs less than the C-Class sedan.
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I'm sorry, but I find straight-line performance to be quite boring...
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This is, of course, a never-ending debate. It's also an utterly pointless one. If we are to compare reliability/quality, especially over the last 10-15 years, I don't think either company looks so great. They've both had their fair share of engineering misfires and disasters, so I think they're pretty well even on that front.

It's important to keep in mind that these two manufacturers have always maintained drastically different philosophies. I'm on my 5th Benz and I've owned 4 Bimmers, comparing them is really unfair to both. Mercedes produces a very understated product, one which appeals to the subconscious more than to the obvious. The emphasis seems to be on smoothness, comfort, composure with performance being more of a fringe benefit.

BMW, on the other hand, is much more visceral, more, shall I say, Italian somehow. The emphasis is on the immediacy of control responses, suspension feedback, structural feel, etc. It's almost as though they'd rather build you a race car, but they build you a street one, only because they have to.

On a related note, got a chance to try out the new Lamborghini-powered S8. Teutonic feel with an Italian sound (however muffled). Me likes!

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