Originally Posted by MarcusF
In your post you used the term "a given fact". "A given fact", or "your opinion"? There's nothing wrong with your opinion, but let's not confuse that with a fact. You pulled out a broad brush and stated "BMW = drivers" "Merc = cruisers". I gave you specific examples of Mercedes-Benz automobiles that probably aren't considered "cruisers" by most of the driving public. Care to comment on any of the cars I listed? Specifically, are they cruisers? If not, then I'd venture to 'guess' that you really don't mean "Merc = cruisers". Some? Yes. As you stated it, definitely not.
As for the vehicles you've actually driven, come on man, you took three large Mercedes sedans out on a test drive with your dad. Based on this limited seat time, are you really in a position to pass judgment on the entire Mercedes-Benz line of cars? I doubt you even brought the tires up to temperature. Am I all wrong about your "vehicle evaluation"? Did you heat the brakes enough to induce fade? If so, would you like to give an assessment of the braking capabilities while in both a normal and overheated state? In comparing the cars, can you state which model exhibited a greater degree of traction while the rear suspension was unloaded? Which model was more recoverable after abrupt lifts while at speed in an increasing radius turn? Those are normal things one does when assessing a "driver", correct? And when one has completed said assessment, is one giving an opinion, or stating a fact?
Your associates, the ones who've driven the scores of BMW and Mercedes-Benz performance vehicles, are they giving opinions as to whether one manufacturer builds a better "driver", or are these the types of fellows whose words denote "fact"?
People like what they like. Facts aren't necessarily involved.
Ok, I didn't mean all Mercs were cruisers. But IT IS a fact that they don't provide as much connection and driver control over the car as BM does.
Why does AMG still equip there cars with heavy automatics? Why don't Mercedes offer manual cars in the US, and not many in Europe?
These were the questions I was using to say that it's a fact that Mercs aren't as much driver's cars as BM are.
How is it that my dad's friend who's driven a CL55, CLS55, E55, SLK55, and others (he works for Mercedes-Benz, NA Headquarters is 2 min from my house) hard for testing purposes say they're not as nearly as connected to the road as his years of having an E28 M5, an E30 M3, an E46 M3, an E39 M5, and the new E60 M6?
He all said the Mercs are powerful, but their chassis and suspension setup aren't as enlightening and as agile as the BMs. He also said that there was still intervention with the stability control whenever he got the back end out after telling the car to turn it off (he felt the brakes working with the wheels and warnings saying that they overheated repatedly came on). He also tolkd me that the steering wasn't as connected and was more on the numb side.
He did just recently tell me that the new E63 is getting better after I saw him at a super bowl party.