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Question Carfax help please!

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I am having problems with a 1985 500SEL I purchased and am trying to register in a different state from where I purchased it. When they run the VIN number, they say they can't find the vehicle, and I have already verified that the VIN is correct. This is a grey market car, and now I am wondering if something weird was done to this vehicle which explains why they can't find anything with it's VIN. Could someone please run a Carfax report on it just to see if anything weird comes up on this car? If you can help me with this I would certainly appreciate it! And please feel free to private message me this report. Take care y'all!

VIN: WDB1260371A178641

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I checked it at the russian site and everything seems ok

VIN WDB1260371A178641
Model 500 SEL
Chassis 1260371A178641
Engine 117963 12 084416
Transmission 722311 02 672962
Order 0 5 227 05146
Approx. year 1985
Lights BOSCH
Cab 10681
Dealer Nuernberg branch (227)
Interior leather grey / alpaca gray (278)
Paint
040 black (T) (с 01.01.1963)
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240 outside temperature indicator (с 01.03.1982)

241 left front seat electrically adjustable with memory feature. only applicable to w 210 when installed in conjunction with code 275. (с 01.03.1983)

251 Becker Radio Mexico cassette, full stereo, electronic (с 01.04.1980 по 30.11.1990)

256 rear axle with limited-slip differential (с 01.11.1965 по 30.11.1991)

365 Unknown code
366 Unknown code
406 single seat with orthopaedic front seat backrest, left and right (с 01.07.1970)


410 electric sliding roof (с 01.03.1965 по 29.02.1988)

430 headrests in the rear (с 01.01.1977)

440 tempomat (cruise control) (с 01.09.1975)

461 Unknown code
470 anti-lock braking system (abs) (с 01.06.1978 по 31.10.1993)

490 elimination of windshield heater (с 01.09.1981 по 31.01.1988)

504 outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978 по 29.02.1986)
outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (l.h.d.)
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531 automatic antenna (с 01.01.1963)

543 sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated, left and right (с 01.11.1978)

581 automatic climate control (с 01.01.1977)

597 heat-insulating glass, windshield, band filter (с 01.02.1984 по 31.10.1989)

611 courtesy lamps for front and rear doors, with W124 also for central doors/W202 front doors only (с 01.11.1978)

640 aluminium disc wheels with radial-ply tires (с 01.10.1969 по 31.12.1989)

677 tropical battery (с 01.06.1965 по 30.11.1991)

873 seat heater for left and right front seats (с 01.02.1984)

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Hi Guys!

I am having problems with a 1985 500SEL I purchased and am trying to register in a different state from where I purchased it. When they run the VIN number, they say they can't find the vehicle, and I have already verified that the VIN is correct. This is a grey market car, and now I am wondering if something weird was done to this vehicle which explains why they can't find anything with it's VIN. Could someone please run a Carfax report on it just to see if anything weird comes up on this car? If you can help me with this I would certainly appreciate it! And please feel free to private message me this report. Take care y'all!

VIN: WDB1260371A178641
You said the AOL Keyword: GREY MARKET
That was a huge WARNING FLAG!

I would not want to be in your shoes. No siree. Not at all.....

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Question Grey market

I'm not clear on what constitutes a grey market car. Can it be something totally harmless as in a European-spec car that was somehow imported without catalytic converters, different bumpers, etc?

OR, is it something we should totally avoid because it might not appear on the centralized MBUSA database either, or have been stolen, VIN altered, things like that?

Thanks in advance,

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What does the title say, does it have one? How did it get into the states and licensed?
Gray Market means it got into the states without MBUSA, if it was a bring back I think you can get a one time exemption from emissions etc stuff.
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I have been told that Wikipedia is usually not the best source, but here is a link to what I found there:

Grey import vehicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I checked it at the russian site and everything seems ok

VIN WDB1260371A178641
Model 500 SEL
Chassis 1260371A178641
Engine 117963 12 084416
Transmission 722311 02 672962
Order 0 5 227 05146
Approx. year 1985
Lights BOSCH
Cab 10681
Dealer Nuernberg branch (227)
Interior leather grey / alpaca gray (278)
Paint
040 black (T) (с 01.01.1963)
Options
240 outside temperature indicator (с 01.03.1982)

241 left front seat electrically adjustable with memory feature. only applicable to w 210 when installed in conjunction with code 275. (с 01.03.1983)

251 Becker Radio Mexico cassette, full stereo, electronic (с 01.04.1980 по 30.11.1990)

256 rear axle with limited-slip differential (с 01.11.1965 по 30.11.1991)

365 Unknown code
366 Unknown code
406 single seat with orthopaedic front seat backrest, left and right (с 01.07.1970)


410 electric sliding roof (с 01.03.1965 по 29.02.1988)

430 headrests in the rear (с 01.01.1977)

440 tempomat (cruise control) (с 01.09.1975)

461 Unknown code
470 anti-lock braking system (abs) (с 01.06.1978 по 31.10.1993)

490 elimination of windshield heater (с 01.09.1981 по 31.01.1988)

504 outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978 по 29.02.1986)
outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (l.h.d.)
taxi version, f.r.g, and outside rear view mirror on the right

531 automatic antenna (с 01.01.1963)

543 sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated, left and right (с 01.11.1978)

581 automatic climate control (с 01.01.1977)

597 heat-insulating glass, windshield, band filter (с 01.02.1984 по 31.10.1989)

611 courtesy lamps for front and rear doors, with W124 also for central doors/W202 front doors only (с 01.11.1978)

640 aluminium disc wheels with radial-ply tires (с 01.10.1969 по 31.12.1989)

677 tropical battery (с 01.06.1965 по 30.11.1991)

873 seat heater for left and right front seats (с 01.02.1984)

Thank you TerisGR for that. However it looks like that is stating what the car came with and not a carfax type report of repairs done...but even that info is not completely accurate because my car does not have two illuminated vanity mirrors or the outside temp display...weird huh? I guess because it is a grey market euro, there is no Carfax available on it here? Of course that doesn't make sense..so who knows.

GOOD NEWS! I was finally able to get the car registered by doing a "VIN Verificaton", which means I went to my local police dept. and had an officer check my VIN and give me a document that states it is correct. It was a hassle, but thank god it was doable. =)

Mercedes Benz of Florida - Grey market cars are wonderful things, and were incredibly common when my car was made, and still are today. Yes, they may not meet all US specifications, but the companies/people who import these cars will make the adjustments necessary for them to be legally registered here. But let's not the forget the main reason people buy grey market cars -money and speed. My euro 500SEL is faster than the american spec model, and it's a difference you can really feel. Plus the original owner probably saved around 20,000 dollars or more buying it in Germany and bringing it here...and these savings are still available today. The main people who are not happy about this and fighting this are the American MB dealers who are losing money by this practice...but it's their own darn fault for overpricing these cars so much here. Twenty thousand dollars is alot of money for me, and if I can save that by flying to Germany and importing my car, you'd better believe I and others are going to do it. Here is a piece from an article that talks about this: Gray-market cars are giving import dealers big headaches Ward's Auto World - Find Articles

" Relatively free markets being what they are, some aggressive U.S. business types with varying degrees of automotive knowledge have been looking at what a European luxury car retails for on the Continent and what dealers charge for a similar car on this side of the Atlantic; they then add in the cost of "federalizing" it for the U.S. What the bottom line of their Japanese pocket calculator tells them pleases them very much, indeed.

All of this adds up, on one level, to snob wars. But it raises questions that have the potential to reach beyond cocktail party jibes about bargain prices on rather obscure automobiles.

Stated simply, American dealers of nameplates such as Mercedes, BMW, and Ferrari have for several years been able to charge hefty prices for vehicles that meet American emission and safety requirements.

A random example would be a Mercedes-Benz 500SEC, which sells in the U.S. for more than $55,000 but is available in Europe for about $30,000.

Enter the gray-market importer who can get the European car past U.S. testing requirements for less than an additional $10,000.

Therein lies the stuff of which serious deals are made, and the best estimates are that those kinds of deals have risen from 2,000 direct imports five years ago to an estimated 50,000 in 1984.

"We bring in the best cars we can, based on the regulations we have to meet, and the gray market doesn't have to meet the same rules," growls BMW of North America Inc. spokesman Thomas McGurn. "That is clearlythe dilemma."

The gray-market businessmen themselves argue that to a large degree, they are dealing with well-informed car enthusiasts who clearly understand the tradeoffs involved in circumventing franchised dealers.

"You can save substantial sums and have a better-performing, better-handling car than its American counterpart," explains Ted CArlson, marketing vice president of Fairway Environmental Engineering of Torrance, CA, a leader in converting European cars to American requirements.

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Thanks for your help with this guys and take care!

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FWIW: Running your VIN and getting are CarFax are two entirely different things and result in two different reports. A CarFax provides much more detailed history of the car, especially since it was put into service. The VIN report just tells you--approximately--what the car is and what options it came w/.

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Yes Jayhawk your right, which is why I am hoping someone who already has a Carfax subscription will run my car to see what has been done to it. Thanks for your reply. =)

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